US Airways May14 class

[Lampshade]

the last guy on the list is EV and he is #6520. "Save Dave" Odell is number 4769. 6520-4769=1751. Of that 1751, 251ish have been called back. 4769+251=5020 at U/AWA now (or in class). Of the 5020 ruffly 1800 are AWA (AWA guy please chime in here). 5020-1800=3220 U guys online.

Looking down the road:

1751-251=1500ish left to be called back. Of this the bottom 100 are "former CEL" and I would guess almost all of them will take a position. 1500-100=1400 left to make the recall decision. Of the 1400 left I'd guess 400 return, just my "wild a$$" guess (could be more but more than likely it will be less). 400+100+5020=5520 pilots when all recalls are finished and eveyone who wants to come back is online (including thoes needing to be released from j4j holds - which may take untill this time next year - my case) Between now and this time next year there are about 300 retirements between U/AWA so 5520-300=5220 pilots in one year.

Looking at fleet size: U has 220ish not including E190's and I's guess AWA has around 180. 220+180+20(E190 by this time next year) = 440 planes.

5220/440=11.86 pilot/plane which seems alittle high but close (should be around 10/plane). Either my numbers are off somewhere (I'd bet they are close) or the rumors about off the street hires are not needed. Looking at 2 years out close to 2010ish (end of 2009) there will be about 1100 combined retirements. 5220-1100=4120 just intime for the next aviation downturn and furloughs.

132AW + 226US = 358 total mainline A/C + EMB190's

 

[TWA Dude]

But, in the end,what I don't like is the heroic mentality on the AWA side on this board.

I agree. The AWA pilots had nothing to do with instigating the merger, we didn't save anybody, nobody saved us, and it's false-pride to hold that over anybody's head. I'd apologize on their behalf it I thought they'd stop but unfortunately I know better. Emotion seems to rule the day, especially on these all-important message boards.

 

[OnTheDole]

Are the recalls going into the 190 going as captains? if not, why would anybody take a 190 FO recall when they could get a group II on the next go around and make so much more $

 

[Green]

potentially the MDA (CEL) pilots could get recalled into the right seat of the A330. That would be a pretty sweet deal.

 

[Swaayze]

Are the recalls going into the 190 going as captains? if not, why would anybody take a 190 FO recall when they could get a group II on the next go around and make so much more $

No, no recalls as Captains. Some at the bottom of the APL will take the 190 as it beats the J4J positions they have now and they want to solidify their spot on the mainline list. Others might want the better seniority that the 190 would give them. Some might just want to start increasing their longevity ASAP, all while banking the 10% company defined contribution. Reasons, like opinions, are like....well, you know - everybody has one. One man's junk is another man's treasure. Etc.

I just bypassed the latest G2 recalls, but if I ever do go back (unlikely) I may very well go to the 190. Why? It would allow me better seniority for my commute. It would prevent me from being last in a recall class and getting stuck with an airplane/domicile that doesn't work very well for me. I also expect 190 Captain will be fairly quick so maybe I'd just stay in that airplane and move to the left seat to avoid too much dain bramage. Bottom line is that with only a 12 month seat lock the 190 really isn't that bad of a deal if you can take the low pay for a year.

 

[ALGFLYR]

Are the recalls going into the 190 going as captains? if not, why would anybody take a 190 FO recall when they could get a group II on the next go around and make so much more $

None of the "recent" recalls have gotton a 190 CA slot. However, on this last bid, Two 190 CA slots were awarded to pilots that were recalled about a year ago.... It seems the 190 CA slot has gone pretty junior...

 

[AutoBus]

I'm a 1999 hire.Till now, I've been silent on this board after the decision that has been put down. From my propective, I expected that the '99 hires would be stapled , but not the 88-90 hires...that is absurd. But, I undrerstand that it's prospective on where you stand. I always try to see both sides of the coin.But, in the end,what I don't like is the heroic mentality on the AWA side on this board. This was put together by a 3rd party. AWA did not have deep pockets and it was close to ch11 at the time. And, now the company is enjoying the synergies of the combined unit... not from one side. My point...drop the attitude!!! It's not as if Fedex(deep pockets) saved AAA. AWA was a tired dog as well. I know it is what it is, and we'll all get thru it, but the chump mentality on this board that is flowing from the west is getting out of control. I hope we can eventually can get it togther and get a workable contract for ALL of our futures. It's a public forum and do as you wish, but I think we need to focus on the real enemy and get our pay scales up to a respectable level.

How exactly did they get screwed? Were they employed by AAA (Not MDA) on the date the merger was announced? NO!

Were they even likely to get recalled in the foreseeable future? NO!

IF funding could not be found would the furlough numbers likely increase? YES.

Like you they did not bring jobs to the table. It has nothing to do with a heroic mentality.

I personally don't understand the, They are old, had a rough life, they deserve this mentality.

 

[FR8mastr]

How exactly did they get screwed? Were they employed by AAA (Not MDA) on the date the merger was announced? NO!

Were they even likely to get recalled in the foreseeable future? NO!

IF funding could not be found would the furlough numbers likely increase? YES.

Like you they did not bring jobs to the table. It has nothing to do with a heroic mentality.

I personally don't understand the, They are old, had a rough life, they deserve this mentality.

Yes they were employed at AAA there is NO such entity as MDA, I know you wont believe me so go ahead and look for any corporation with that name!

Yes there was expectation of recalls due to the massive attrition.

 

[ALGFLYR]

How exactly did they get screwed? Were they employed by AAA (Not MDA) on the date the merger was announced? NO!

Well, I looked at my W-2, and the corporate ID # of the company that paid me was US Airways. My ALPA card sayd AAA - Active. If I were furloughed, it would say inactive. There were elected ALPA reps. working for the 170 division. Do you think USAirways ALPA has made it a practice to let pilots from a company other than USAirways serve on the MEC???

 

[DougsRule]

What's the hire date of the last guy recalled in class right now?

 

[Green]

Well, I looked at my W-2, and the corporate ID # of the company that paid me was US Airways. My ALPA card sayd AAA - Active. If I were furloughed, it would say inactive. There were elected ALPA reps. working for the 170 division. Do you think USAirways ALPA has made it a practice to let pilots from a company other than USAirways serve on the MEC???

Does Us Airways make it a practice to hire when there are over a thousand guys/gals furloughed? Obviously not and your case isn't so clear either. Most of the MDA guys have a date of hire around 2004 several years after Us Airways started furloughing heavily. So your chances of EVER flying a mainline aircraft were slim pre-merger and if Airways had somehow survived you would have been sitting in the 190 for a long time while pilots were recalled ahead of you! Also if the merger had not occurred and Us Airways recalled the acceptance rate would have been higher as pilots looked to capitalize on attrition. All in all I can't see how a CEL pilot could claim they got a raw deal in this whole transaction.

 

[The Rookie]

Well, I looked at my W-2, and the corporate ID # of the company that paid me was US Airways. My ALPA card sayd AAA - Active. If I were furloughed, it would say inactive. There were elected ALPA reps. working for the 170 division. Do you think USAirways ALPA has made it a practice to let pilots from a company other than USAirways serve on the MEC???

Except the seniority list submitted by the AAA Merger Committee to the ALPA Arbitration Board shows you as furloughed. If you were an active pilot at the time of the merger, why doesn't this list reflect that?

 

[PHXFLYR]

No, no recalls as Captains. Some at the bottom of the APL will take the 190 as it beats the J4J positions they have now and they want to solidify their spot on the mainline list. Others might want the better seniority that the 190 would give them. Some might just want to start increasing their longevity ASAP, all while banking the 10% company defined contribution. Reasons, like opinions, are like....well, you know - everybody has one. One man's junk is another man's treasure. Etc.

I just bypassed the latest G2 recalls, but if I ever do go back (unlikely) I may very well go to the 190. Why? It would allow me better seniority for my commute. It would prevent me from being last in a recall class and getting stuck with an airplane/domicile that doesn't work very well for me. I also expect 190 Captain will be fairly quick so maybe I'd just stay in that airplane and move to the left seat to avoid too much dain bramage. Bottom line is that with only a 12 month seat lock the 190 really isn't that bad of a deal if you can take the low pay for a year.

"Unlikely" you'd ever go back,but you "very well" might go to the 190...hmmm,
I'm confused.

PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

Except the seniority list submitted by the AAA Merger Committee to the ALPA Arbitration Board shows you as furloughed. If you were an active pilot at the time of the merger, why doesn't this list reflect that?

Like your "Eternal Reserve" moniker in your aviatar. Does that make Chicago
"The Eternal City" ?


PHXFLYR

 

[trainer8]

Except the seniority list submitted by the AAA Merger Committee to the ALPA Arbitration Board shows you as furloughed. If you were an active pilot at the time of the merger, why doesn't this list reflect that?

Because it was wrong.

 

[fletch]

If I was told MDA was a recall to a mainline position, I would have taken it. So would a lot of other pilots. If we had been told MDA was mainline, I dont think the recalls would have gone very far down the list. CEL pilots wouldn't have had the option to go to MDA, due to furloughed pilots accepting a recall to mainline. When I recieved a call for MDA I called 2 fo reps, 2 chief pilots, and the fourlough admin.. Every single person told me this was NOT a recall to mainline, and my time spent at MDA would NOT count towards my mainline longevity, so I declined the offer.

 

[m80drvr]

If I was told MDA was a recall to a mainline position, I would have taken it. So would a lot of other pilots. If we had been told MDA was mainline, I dont think the recalls would have gone very far down the list. CEL pilots wouldn't have had the option to go to MDA, due to furloughed pilots accepting a recall to mainline. When I recieved a call for MDA I called 2 fo reps, 2 chief pilots, and the fourlough admin.. Every single person told me this was NOT a recall to mainline, and my time spent at MDA would NOT count towards my mainline longevity, so I declined the offer.

Same here

 

[Swaayze]

"Unlikely" you'd ever go back,but you "very well" might go to the 190...hmmm,
I'm confused.

PHXFLYR

Don't be. My post said "if" I do go back then I may choose to go to the 190.

 

[Swaayze]

What's the hire date of the last guy recalled in class right now?

October 2004. E190 FO.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Don't be. My post said "if" I do go back then I may choose to go to the 190.

Got it. Whatever you decide, best wishes and good luck.

PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

October 2004. E190 FO.

Are you sure it's 2004? I thought east stopped hiring in 2000? Or did one of the CEL pilots take the recall?

PHXFLYR

 

[ALGFLYR]

Are you sure it's 2004? I thought east stopped hiring in 2000? Or did one of the CEL pilots take the recall?

PHXFLYR

There are several ex-CEL pilots that have accepted the recall and are scheduled for class...

 

[ALGFLYR]

Does Us Airways make it a practice to hire when there are over a thousand guys/gals furloughed?


. All in all I can't see how a CEL pilot could claim they got a raw deal in this whole transaction.

I don't think ANY ex-CEL pilot thought they got a raw deal in this integration. No matter what happened, we knew we would be at the bottom. That's where we belong. I do however think the senior guys with almost 2 decades of active service got screwed...

With the ability to bypass the 190 FO position indefinitely, I believe we will see hiring off the street with pilots on furlough. It will happen.

On a side note... It appears that the July 21 recall class will have 14 A330 FO positions that will be filled with recalled pilots...

 

[trainer8]

If I was told MDA was a recall to a mainline position, I would have taken it. So would a lot of other pilots. If we had been told MDA was mainline, I dont think the recalls would have gone very far down the list. CEL pilots wouldn't have had the option to go to MDA, due to furloughed pilots accepting a recall to mainline. When I recieved a call for MDA I called 2 fo reps, 2 chief pilots, and the fourlough admin.. Every single person told me this was NOT a recall to mainline, and my time spent at MDA would NOT count towards my mainline longevity, so I declined the offer.

There is no doubt your post is accurate. What you were told by "2 fo reps, 2 chief pilots, and the furlough admin" was not accurate. That is why there is a very large law suit (progressing rapidly now) over your exact situation.

T8

 

[Swaayze]

Well, the currently on property junior recall is Oct '99 but the junior to accept a future recall (7/07 class) to the 190 is Aug '04 (CEL pilot). I had CEL on the brain with the Oct '04 post, sorry.

 

[zeeman]

Anybody got a call

Has anyone been called for a class since we got the letter dated May 10th for group II or higher.

Thanx in advance