Us Airways Express Pairing Examples

[IADBLRJ41]

Looking for copies of monthly bid schedules/trip parings for Us Airways Express Carriers like CHQ, MESA, PDT, PSA etc.

AWAC's Us Airways trip parings are really difficult to commute, and we are looking into what other carriers have to work with so we can compare.

PM me if your willing to help out.

Thanks,

Bill
DCA FO
Air Wisconsin

 

[nethan]

Haha... I don't think you are going to find too many good parings in the system with the exception of MAYBE some of the Mesa 900 "long haul" stuff. And then again, knowing how much their company likes to screw with them, those probably aren't too good either.

 

[PropPiedmont]

Majority of PDT schedules run early to late. 4 day crews with 89 hours away from base. Early start of 5 or 6 days on with a late finish, then 1 to 2 days off, then followed by another early start.

 

[IADBLRJ41]

Yea, that is kinda what we are running into as well. We are not sure if it is Appleton or Us Air. Gotta love those 90 Time Away from Base trips followed by two days off then hey how about another uncommutable trip.

 

[masedogg19]

AWAC's Us Airways trip parings are really difficult to commute, and we are looking into what other carriers have to work with so we can compare.

I don't even bother trying to find commutable schedules...it's impossible to do....I just plan on sleeping in the crew room at least once a trip

 

[Night_Flight]

If God had intended Humans to fly, he would have made commuting easier!

-Night_Flight-

 

[Weasil]

Here's PSA pairings for CLT for June.

Trip no. Start/End Cities overnighting.

2001= 2551 0655/1059 CRWGNVCVGCLT 403 404 410
2002= 2570 0655/1040 HSVTRICLT 444
2004= 2551 0655/0900 HSVDCABHMCLT 411 426 443 444
2005= 2531 0700/1217 AVLMOBCLECLT 407 425 440
2006= 2531 0700/1740 FAYCLT 429
2007= 2531 0700/1804 CAECAECLT 413
2008= 2575 0700/1647 LITLEXCLT 434
2009= 2453 0710/1218 AVLFAYCAKCLT 426 429 448 453
2010= 2453 0710/1040 HSVTRICLT
2011= 2304 0710/1700 FAYMOBXNACLT 411 414 415
2012= 2510 0715/1244 CHALITCAECLT 408 421 432
2013= 2592 0715/0834 HSVMEMGNVCLT 431 448 450 453
2014= 2561 0700/1840 FAYCLT 422
2015= 2510 0715/1830 CHACLT 405
2016= 2592 0715/1845 FAYCRWCAECLT 401
2017= 2320 0715/1330 HSVGNVCLT 451
2018= 2592 0715/1215 MGMHSVCRWCLT 402 425 433
2019= 2441 0720/1315 DCABHMCHACLT 416
2021=D2318 0735/0855 BHMMOBCLT 444
2022=D2318 0735/1646 BHMMOBLITCLT 420 421 452
2023= 2301 0805/1425 AVLFAYCLT 443
2024= 2301 0805/1646 AVLFAYCLT 405 408 421
2025= 2540 0835/1425 CLEMEMOAJCLT 402 404 433
2026= 2509 0835/1333 CVGAVLXNACLT 428
2027= 2509 0835/1329 CAKCAECAECLT 415 431 436 452
2028= 2519 0840/1804 GNVCLT 409
2029= 2472 0840/1315 BNAMOBCHACLT 403 412
2031= 2518 0855/1640 MEMLITCLT 448
2032= 2545 0900/1845 CAEBNAABECLT 420
2033=D2545 0900/1624 CLT
2034= 2545 0900/1655 CAEFAYLEXCLT 425 427 445 449
2035= 2414 0910/1705 CAECAECLT 414 416 426
2038= 2414 0910/1315 CAKGNVLITCLT 414 421 441 449
2040= 2414 0910/1329 CAKCAECAECLT 435
2041= 2565 0915/1845 XNACLT 414
2044= 2543 1020/1215 MGMHSVCRWCLT 412
2045= 2433 1020/1441 CAKCVGLEXCLT 401 418
2046= 2433 1020/1121 TYSMEMCAKCLT 401 409 419
2048= 2584 1025/1855 CAKAVLOAJCLT 428 439 442 445
2050= 2584 1025/1346 CAECAKCLT 435 438 443 447
2051= 2481 1025/1832 CAEOAJCLT 452
2052= 2584 1025/1522 HSVTRIMOBCLT 439 446 448 449
2053= 2456 1025/1731 XNACRWMEMCLT 424
2056= 2384 1035/1705 CRWOAJMOBCLT 420 421 442 446
2057= 2384 1035/1641 CAEMEMFAYCLT 429 436 438 441
2058= 2485 1040/1647 MGMMGMCLT 409 423 434 437
2059= 2485 1040/1619 CAKFAYAVLCLT 413 416 417 420
2060= 2533 1040/1646 MEMAVLCRWCLT 419
2061= 2533 1040/1855 MGMXNAMEMCLT 424 435 448 452
2062= 2361 1050/1335 CAKCAKMEMCLT 406
2063= 2450 1200/1511 CVGAVPLEXCLT 409 418
2064= 2479 1205/2031 CRWCLEOAJCLT 454
2068= 2474 1205/1425 AVLOAJCLECLT 403 412 416 452
PROCESSED ON Tuesday 5/09/20 17:12
PAIRING LOCATOR FOR: CLT JUNE 06 CLT RJ2 FO PAGE 2
PAIR# FLT# REPT/ARRV S T A T I O N S BLOCK INFORMATION
2069= 2479 1205/1845 CVGLEXCAECLT 418 422 447
2070= 2474 1205/1655 XNAOAJGNVCLT 427 439 445
2072= 2474 1205/1820 CAETRICLT 408 423 424 451
2073= 2526 1215/1333 AVLCAKXNACLT 406 419 428
2074= 2487 1220/1700 AVPMOBXNACLT 404
2075= 2487 1220/1845 GNVCAECLT 415 428 431
2076= 2487 1220/2033 MOBCLECLT 411
2076= 2487 1220/2033 MOBCLECLECLT 432 436 451
2077= 2487 1225/1047 FAYAVPCLT 437
2078= 2417 1235/1511 CVGAVPLEXCLT 410
2079= 2417 1235/1846 CAECLT 418
2079= 2417 1235/1942 CAECAELITCLT 417 432 444
2080= 2417 1235/1845 GNVFAYCVGCLT 420 424 453 454
2081= 2417 1235/1845 CAKCAELITCLT 422 441 447 454
2082= 2417 1235/1044 LITCAKAVPCLT 406 410 412
2084= 2473 1310/1244 LEXLITCAECLT 438
2085= 2549 1320/1217 AVLCRWCLECLT 413 431 435 437
2086= 2316 1320/1619 CHAXNAOAJCLT 417
2089= 2544 1325/1259 AVLAVLCAKCLT 418 426 433 437
2090= 2544 1325/2031 TRIMEMCRWCLT 423 439 440 442
2091= 2544 1325/2050 CAEGNVCLT
2091= 2544 1325/2044 CAEGNVBNACLT 430 438 443
2093= 2544 1325/1121 CAKBHMOAJCLT 417 430 444
2095= 2419 1325/1121 TYSMEMCAKCLT 405
2096= 2332 1325/2030 FAYGNVTRICLT 403
2097= 2419 1325/1545 TYSCAKCLT 436
2098=D2403 1330/1705 MGMCAEXNACLT 408 415 434
2099= 2523 1330/1700 CAKCAKCLT 441
2100= 2523 1335/1837 CRWOAJCRWCLT 435 438 451 454
2101= 2523 1335/1731 OAJLEXAVLCLT 423 434 437 451
2104= 2523 1335/1836 CLEMOBCLT 432
2104= 2523 1335/1430 CLEMOBAVPCLT 428 450 454
2105= 2515 1335/1159 MEMCAKCRWCLT 410 414 422 429
2106= 2556 1340/2110 CRWCLEMOBCLT 415 426 429 449
2107= 2556 1340/1044 LITCAKAVPCLT 411
2108= 2316 1350/1646 CRWAVLCRWCLT 404 407 433
2109= 2371 1435/2107 CVGMOBMGMCLT 453
2110= 2452 1505/1335 CAKCAKMEMCLT 405 425 427
2111=D 368 1505/1501 ABEMGMCLECLT 447
2113= 2395 1515/2107 CAETRIAVLCLT 440 446 453
2114= 2443 1515/2031 GNVTRICLT 411 413 422
2115= 2432 1535/1855 CVGLEXCLT 416
2115= 2432 1535/1849 CVGLEXHSVCLT 413 417 450
2116= 2587 1625/2050 LITCAKCLT 449
2118= 2339 1630/2037 LITTRIMGMCLT 424 436 441 443
2119= 2350 1640/1845 AVPCRWCAECLT 402 405 408
2120= 2525 1645/1646 CAKLEXCVGCLT 431
2121= 2309 1650/1418 AVLHSVMEMCLT 442 445 446 450
2122= 2309 1650/1942 MEMAVLCRWCLT 450
2123= 2577 1655/1743 CLEGNVTYSCLT 402
2124= 2424 1715/1743 CLEGNVTYSCLT 406 407 419
2125= 2360 1734/1425 CAECVGCAKCLT 430
2126= 2429 1850/1441 CAKCVGLEXCLT 432
2127= 2405 1900/0905 - CLT 410
2128= 2405 1905/0857 - CLT
2130= 2385 2050/1700 MEMFAYBHMCLT 423
2131= 2559 2110/0656 - CLT
2132= 2454 2120/0658 - CLT 419
2133= 2569 2120/0655 - CLT

 

[1973Arrow]

Actually the 2nd half to 2/3 looks a lot better than ours...There is at least a good chance of commuting

 

[Ready2Fly]

I don't even bother trying to find commutable schedules...it's impossible to do....I just plan on sleeping in the crew room at least once a trip

I know that I'm still a newbie and not at the airlines yet, but do you REALLY sleep in the crew room? Why does your union allow the company to make schedules like that? Where do you shower and shave if you sleep in the crew room? Do you have a sleeping bag, pillow, blanket? Do you have a crashpad? Why not? Sorry for all the questions, but is this really what i've got to look forward too? If it is, then I'm seriously going to rethink my decision to become an airline pilot? Last question, is this just an anomoly at AWAC, or is this common at most regionals?

 

[Leroy Smith]

I know that I'm still a newbie and not at the airlines yet, but do you REALLY sleep in the crew room? Why does your union allow the company to make schedules like that? Where do you shower and shave if you sleep in the crew room? Do you have a sleeping bag, pillow, blanket? Do you have a crashpad? Why not? Sorry for all the questions, but is this really what i've got to look forward too? If it is, then I'm seriously going to rethink my decision to become an airline pilot? Last question, is this just an anomoly at AWAC, or is this common at most regionals?

Welcome to the suck.

 

[The Drizzle]

I know that I'm still a newbie and not at the airlines yet, but do you REALLY sleep in the crew room? Why does your union allow the company to make schedules like that? Where do you shower and shave if you sleep in the crew room? Do you have a sleeping bag, pillow, blanket? Do you have a crashpad? Why not? Sorry for all the questions, but is this really what i've got to look forward too? If it is, then I'm seriously going to rethink my decision to become an airline pilot? Last question, is this just an anomoly at AWAC, or is this common at most regionals?

you can avoid all of this by living in base, or moving to the base you get. everybody has a choice, some just choose to live a harder life and complain abou it.

 

[ex j-41]

To Commute

you can avoid all of this by living in base, or moving to the base you get. everybody has a choice, some just choose to live a harder life and complain abou it.

Not really a choice.
Airlines offer you no job security and low starting pay. Go to your financial
adviser and ask him/her if you should pack up and move your family to
a city far away for a $20k job. And in a flash you could be furloughed.
It just does not make economical sense to move. Not to mention that
6 months down the line the company could change your base. Now the
non-commuter is now commuting.

 

[AdSo81]

To be quite honest, even if I were to live in this friggen wonderful domicile I still wouldnt be able to have a life with half of these lines, and besides Id say at least 90% of these guys didnt choose to commute, the company pretty much made that choice for them.

 

[The Drizzle]

Not really a choice.
Airlines offer you no job security and low starting pay. Go to your financial
adviser and ask him/her if you should pack up and move your family to
a city far away for a $20k job. And in a flash you could be furloughed.
It just does not make economical sense to move. Not to mention that
6 months down the line the company could change your base. Now the
non-commuter is now commuting.

one could choose to be a CPA and quit being a b1tch

 

[Soverytired]

Crew Room? Man, you guys are SPOILED ROTTEN!

I don't even bother trying to find commutable schedules...it's impossible to do....I just plan on sleeping in the crew room at least once a trip

I'd kill for sleep in the crew room. Really. I would.

Mesa USAir Schedules, as coded by Crew Tracking =

Fly late at night, sleep on airplane for a couple of hours, fly to another city at the crack of dawn (RE: THE "CAMPING TRIP")

Check into hotel at 0800. Try and sleep while all the maids are cleaning until 1800. Now, fly all night again, but you'll check into your NEXT hotel at 0400. (RE: "The Overday" i.e. not an "overnight)

Sleep til noon (RE: "Scheduled Reduced Rest"- - - hope the van ain't 30 minutes late at the luxury "Motel Six" It's legal, therefore, it MUST be safe.)

Fly some more! You'll be done by midnight, but your last leg will have a 4 hour sit before you go to home base (RE: "Airport Appreciation")







Mesa's a great company, because it really, really, really goes out of it's way to motivate you to go on to bigger and better things. Or just ANY other thing.

 

[dojetdriver]

one could choose to be a CPA and quit being a b1tch

One could choose to go to CPAinfo.com and tell everybody how smart you are.

 

[great cornholio]

I know that I'm still a newbie and not at the airlines yet, but do you REALLY sleep in the crew room? Why does your union allow the company to make schedules like that? Where do you shower and shave if you sleep in the crew room? Do you have a sleeping bag, pillow, blanket? Do you have a crashpad? Why not? Sorry for all the questions, but is this really what i've got to look forward too? If it is, then I'm seriously going to rethink my decision to become an airline pilot? Last question, is this just an anomoly at AWAC, or is this common at most regionals?

Yes people really sleep in the crew room. No they usually dont have a sleeping bag or anything like that. Usually they fly the last flight of the day so they get in around midnite and commute out of the first flight in the morning usually around 5 or 6 am. So they usually just catch a nap in the crewroom because they dont have time to make it to the crashpad or hotel. Yes I would say that this is what you have to look forward to. Most of the parings at my company are like this start early on day 1 end late on day 4 then back it up with a 2 day that gets done late as well. Then have a few days off and do it all over again. The union cant really do much because someone always has to fly the last flight of the day. And the mainline codeshare partners (United Mainline, US Airways Mainline, etc) are the ones that say which flights they want flown by which regional. Like some people said life is way better if you dont commute and you live in domicile. That is not always possible as domiciles always open and close and you can get displaced many times a year. (Ive been displaced twice in the past 4 months). Since Oct 02 Ive had 7 different domiclies...some of them have been bouncing back and fourth between 2 different domiciles because of displacements and downgrades. So I dont know about you, but it would have been even harder to move 7 times in 3 1/2 years then commuting.

 

[The Drizzle]

One could choose to go to CPAinfo.com and tell everybody how smart you are.

you may not like it, but i'm not wrong.

 

[masedogg19]

I know that I'm still a newbie and not at the airlines yet, but do you REALLY sleep in the crew room? Why does your union allow the company to make schedules like that? Where do you shower and shave if you sleep in the crew room? Do you have a sleeping bag, pillow, blanket? Do you have a crashpad? Why not? Sorry for all the questions, but is this really what i've got to look forward too? If it is, then I'm seriously going to rethink my decision to become an airline pilot? Last question, is this just an anomoly at AWAC, or is this common at most regionals?

To answer the first question, yes....each trip that I had in March had me sleeping in the crew room at least once.....I would always shower and shave the night before and then just "freshen up" that morning at 5am....I do have a sleeping bag and pillow that I keep in the crew room...I manage to get a couch about half of the time...otherwise its on the concrete floor....I could move to base but I don't want to live in PHL....could get a crashpad or hotel but I would rather suck it up and save a little bit of money....I don't think that it is an anomoly at AWAC......but they aren't helping us much with the line building right now either

 

[nethan]

I don't know who, but somebody at AWAC was pretty well off in the crew room in PHL the other day. Air mattress (a big one too) a pillow and several blankets. Thing was it was around 10 in the morning.

 

[dojetdriver]

you may not like it, but i'm not wrong.

Everything is realtive. Except for that baby in your avatar, thats one ugly motherfkr.

 

[The Drizzle]

Except for that baby in your avatar, thats one ugly motherfkr.

but he looks so happy, shame that once he's 3 years old somebody will tell him

 

[masedogg19]

I don't know who, but somebody at AWAC was pretty well off in the crew room in PHL the other day. Air mattress (a big one too) a pillow and several blankets. Thing was it was around 10 in the morning.

I don't know how anybody could sleep that long in there....I barely made it to 530

 

[Crzipilot]

Commutabitity in the building of the trips is usually more able if your in the Hub such as PHL or CLT. But of course that's dependant on the number of originators you have. the clt pairings that were posted are usually mostly commutable, but then there are only a small number of originators out of there. Whereas in TYS or DAY, we have to do all the originators, 4 a day i think, and that's where they get the crews into the system, such as how they prob. do you guys in ORF and DCA. There's so many variables that go into it, but looking at it, it would seem they could manage the schedules a little better to make it livable, but they don't....so who knows...

 

[BoilerUP]

One would think that DCA (being a "focus city" and all) could have decent schedules, but they appear to be the worst in the system. One would also think that with the amount of flying AWAC has in PHL, the farkin' crew planners could make a few more commutable parings, a few less lines with back-to-back trips, and alot less lines with multiple 2+hr hub sits with only 12 days off and 78 hours of block credit. I understand ORF being poor for commuters, but there is NO EXCUSE in PHL.

And I choose to commute because I don't want to be stuck in an expensive and/or hellhole city on the east coast. When I saw a brand new 1500sq ft home in IND costs what a 900sq ft townhouse cost in Va Beach/Norfolk, my decision was MADE...

 

[Beechnut]

I don't know who, but somebody at AWAC was pretty well off in the crew room in PHL the other day. Air mattress (a big one too) a pillow and several blankets. Thing was it was around 10 in the morning.

I saw that! I was getting so annoyed by his cell phone alarm going off every 5 minutes. It's okay to sleep there like that, but he was out of line.

S.