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Nic Award Update?

Not trying to start a fire, but has the entire Nic Award (America West pilots integration and binding arbitration) situation been worked out? Haven't heard much lately about it. Can we assume that something has been worked out for this agreement to happen - or will they wait to work it out later like at UAL/CAL?
 
Not trying to start a fire, but has the entire Nic Award (America West pilots integration and binding arbitration) situation been worked out? Haven't heard much lately about it. Can we assume that something has been worked out for this agreement to happen - or will they wait to work it out later like at UAL/CAL?
Really?? Can we have one day of good news without starting a fire??
 
Not trying to start a fire, but has the entire Nic Award (America West pilots integration and binding arbitration) situation been worked out? Haven't heard much lately about it. Can we assume that something has been worked out for this agreement to happen - or will they wait to work it out later like at UAL/CAL?

The integration won't even be talked about till after the JCBA.
 
Not trying to start a fire, but has the entire Nic Award (America West pilots integration and binding arbitration) situation been worked out? Haven't heard much lately about it. Can we assume that something has been worked out for this agreement to happen - or will they wait to work it out later like at UAL/CAL?

The problem was solved a long time ago. Now with a single CBA the West pilots case is ripe. The NIC will be the list US Airways presents for arbitration with APA.
 
AMR, US Airways Boards Separately Approve Merger Deal

By MIKE SPECTOR and SUSAN CAREY

The boards of American Airlines parent AMR Corp. AAMRQ +3.59% and US Airways Group Inc. LCC +2.73% late Wednesday separately voted to approve a merger that would create the world's largest airline, said people familiar with the matter.

The merger will be formally announced early Thursday morning, and a so-called plan support agreement outlining all of the deal's details is set to be filed the same day with the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in New York overseeing American's reorganization, the people said.

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Under the all-stock deal's terms, American's creditors would own 72% of the combined airline, and US Airways shareholders the balance. US Airways Chief Executive Doug Parker will run the combined company as chief executive. AMR CEO Tom Horton will serve as nonexecutive board chairman, likely until the spring or summer of 2014, the time of the new company's first annual meeting after American emerges from bankruptcy protection, the people said.

The airline will likely have a market capitalization exceeding $10 billion, and the value could approach $11 billion, the people said. The new board will have 12 directors, one of the people said. American's creditors will appoint five directors, American will appoint three and US Airways four, this person said. The number of directors will fall to 11 when Mr. Horton departs as chairman, this person said.

The deal would serve as the reorganization plan taking American out of bankruptcy proceedings, where it has been since November 2011. In addition to the blessing of a bankruptcy judge, the deal needs clearance from antitrust regulators at the U.S. Justice Department and elsewhere, which could take a few months. Only with all of those green lights would American be able exit Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.

AMR's creditors could be repaid nearly all their debts in the merger reorganization plan and AMR's existing common shareholders are expected to get some kind of financial recovery at some point as part of the merger, some of the people said. AMR's common stock continues to trade, but is expected to be extinguished once the company issues new shares in the combined entity.

The airlines met at the New York offices of their respective legal advisers in midtown Manhattan Wednesday afternoon, at times concurrently. American's board met at the offices of law firm Weil, Gotshal & Manges LLP, while US Airways' board met at law firm Latham & Watkins LLP.
 
The problem was solved a long time ago. Now with a single CBA the West pilots case is ripe. The NIC will be the list US Airways presents for arbitration with APA.

Ding!

Winner, winner. Chicken dinner.
 
I've said it before; Parker knows how to get blood from a turnip; and money from pilots wallets:-(

The MOU and business plan (provided the merger completes) do not support your statement. Parker merely decided to "stay neutral" on the seniority dispute, and managed to successfully take advantage of the low pay.
 
And the poor AWA guys get screwed again I bet .. Funny thing they were / are the one group of the 3 that were not bankrupt durning the mergers ..
 
And the poor AWA guys get screwed again I bet .. Funny thing they were / are the one group of the 3 that were not bankrupt durning the mergers ..

Just curious, how? Obviously the Nic is still in force, it doesn't just disappear no matter what anyone agrees too unless the AWA pilots agree to give it up. I assume they won't unless offered something acceptable to them.
 
Just curious, how? Obviously the Nic is still in force, it doesn't just disappear no matter what anyone agrees too unless the AWA pilots agree to give it up. I assume they won't unless offered something acceptable to them.

There is no AWA Pilots after merger with Airways...... Atleast that how the American Union looked at it. Only American Pilots and US Airways Pilots. Gonna be interesting on how the Westies are handled.
 
There is no AWA Pilots after merger with Airways...... Atleast that how the American Union looked at it. Only American Pilots and US Airways Pilots. Gonna be interesting on how the Westies are handled.

That's like saying, "she really isn't divorced, so that truck I lost in the marriage is really still mine...." Binding arbitration awards don't just float away. The AWA guys will be the real winners in the end, as a group they are younger, and will outlast the other two. I would think the NIC would be upheld, and then that list would be used in the AA integration. (IMO)



Bye Bye---General Lee
 
This is not black and white and should not be viewed as such.

From an on line legal dictionary:

"The submission of a dispute to an unbiased third person designated by the parties to the controversy, who agree in advance to comply with the award—a decision to be issued after a hearing at which both parties have an opportunity to be heard.'

'Arbitration is a well-established and widely used means to end disputes. It is one of several kinds of Alternative Dispute Resolution, which provide parties to a controversy with a choice other than litigation. Unlike litigation, arbitration takes place out of court: the two sides select an impartial third party, known as an arbitrator; agree in advance to comply with the arbitrator's award; and then participate in a hearing at which both sides can present evidence and testimony. The arbitrator's decision is usually final, and courts rarely reexamine it."


ALPA reexamined it and found the Nicolau Seniority list to comply with all facets of the process. Further, it has been challenged in court. Two courts have told USAPA they are free to negotiate away from the Nicolau list, BUT tread on dangerous ground at the possibility of a DFR lawsuit against them and any other party involved.


CB
 
From an on line legal dictionary:

"The submission of a dispute to an unbiased third person designated by the parties to the controversy, who agree in advance to comply with the award—a decision to be issued after a hearing at which both parties have an opportunity to be heard.'

'Arbitration is a well-established and widely used means to end disputes. It is one of several kinds of Alternative Dispute Resolution, which provide parties to a controversy with a choice other than litigation. Unlike litigation, arbitration takes place out of court: the two sides select an impartial third party, known as an arbitrator; agree in advance to comply with the arbitrator's award; and then participate in a hearing at which both sides can present evidence and testimony. The arbitrator's decision is usually final, and courts rarely reexamine it."


ALPA reexamined it and found the Nicolau Seniority list to comply with all facets of the process. Further, it has been challenged in court. Two courts have told USAPA they are free to negotiate away from the Nicolau list, BUT tread on dangerous ground at the possibility of a DFR lawsuit against them and any other party involved.


CB

It's time to move together in one direction.
 
It's time to move together in one direction.

So you and your neighbor disagree about a property easement and take the complaint to arbitrator. The arbitrator makes his decision, where upon you neighbor builds a fence on the contested property.

After YEARS & tons of money fighting your neighbor in the courts, is it now time to give in to his antics and move together in one direction?

Discuss....
 
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Whaaaaaaaa, we saved two bankrupt major airlines. Whaaaaaaaaa. We really did. No, we did really. Whaaaaaaaaa. Why are you laughing? Whaaaaaaaa.
 

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