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US Air's Offer for Delta Loses
More Ground With Creditors
By COREY DADE, SUSAN CAREY and MELANIE TROTTMAN
January 23, 2007

As a U.S. Senate committee prepares to take testimony tomorrow on consolidation in the airline industry, US Airways Group Inc.'s hostile $10.1 billion bid for Delta Air Lines Inc. appears to be losing traction among creditors who will determine the fate of the Atlanta airline, according to people familiar with the matter.

After digging into the details of the US Airways offer -- which was sweetened 20% less than two weeks ago -- and hiring former Continental Airlines Inc. Chairman Gordon Bethune to help analyze its prospects, the Delta creditors' committee has grown skeptical of the proposed merger, these people said.

Delta and Northwest Airlines Corp. senior management recently held several meetings to explore a possible combination after Delta creditors pushed the airline to explore all merger options, according to people familiar with the matter. A combination of Delta and Northwest "is a very viable option," according to one of those people, but is likely to be pursued only after both airlines emerge from bankruptcy protection this year. Delta intends to leave Chapter 11 proceedings in April and has made its own proposal to creditors to emerge as a stand-alone company. Northwest hopes to emerge from bankruptcy-court protection in the second quarter.


The discussions between Delta and Northwest were "detailed, specific conversations" about potential structures, processes and timetables for a transaction, said a person knowledgeable about the matter. However, those talks have concluded without a framework for a deal and without specific plans for further negotiations, according to people familiar with the thinking of both sides.

In a flurry of behind-the-scenes meetings over the past week, representatives from the creditors' committee and Delta have been trying to iron out issues related to the airline's hope to emerge from bankruptcy protection as an independent airline. Issues have included how the Delta board will be selected, compensation for senior management, and how to compensate nonunion front-line Delta employees, according to several people close to the discussions.

Delta and the creditors are expected to soon begin negotiations on the selection process for board members, these people said. Spencer Stuart & Associates Inc. recently spent more than a day interviewing current board members, some of whom likely will remain on the board. The unsecured creditors' committee also has begun assembling a slate of potential directors, according to several people close to the process.


The makeup of a board would be pivotal if Delta Chief Executive Officer Gerald Grinstein keeps his pledge to retire after guiding the airline out of bankruptcy protection. The creditors' committee is seeking a strong hand alongside Delta's in selecting the directors, preferring members open to a future merger that would keep Delta competitive in an anticipated wave of industry consolidation.

In his testimony tomorrow, Mr. Grinstein is expected to reprise his criticisms of the US Airways deal, which he says would cost thousands of Delta employees their jobs, diminish competition in many U.S. markets, and fail to pass antitrust scrutiny due to both airlines' concentrated operations on the East Coast. Some people involved in the Delta case believe the creditors are cooling on the US Airways offer because they expect Delta management wouldn't cooperate with the antitrust review and other steps required to push through the transaction.

Mr. Grinstein also must explain that his airline would consider tying up with a different carrier that offers a network that complements Delta's. For example, Northwest's Midwest and China routes fit well Delta's East Coast and European prowess.

Mr. Grinstein is expected to face questions from lawmakers at tomorrow's hearing on whether his airline is entertaining talks with other suitors besides US Airways. Northwest declines to comment on the Delta discussions.


As for US Airways' chairman and CEO, Doug Parker, he is expected to defend what he believes are the merits of the merger, including $1.65 billion in cost and revenue synergies he promises will create a more-efficient and financially secure airline much like the merger he engineered in 2005 between America West Holdings Corp. and US Airways, he said.

Mr. Parker, who has said the new airline would operate on a low-fare carrier's cost structure, is expected to address speculation that fares would rise and air service would diminish in several markets.

Mr. Parker said he has had no indication Delta creditors are lining up against the US Airways bid. "We're in regular contact with the creditors' committee," Mr. Parker said, adding he is confident the creditors will support US Airways' request to conduct due diligence on Delta's finances. "We're working nicely and productively with the creditors' committee, so I'm confident that by the time our [Feb. 1] deadline comes around, they'll allow us to continue," he said.
 
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If Grinchstein said DELTA would emerge as a stand alone carrier, why is he talking with NW ??
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Delta and Northwest Airlines Corp. senior management recently held several meetings to explore a possible combination after Delta creditors pushed the airline to explore all merger options, according to people familiar with the matter. A combination of Delta and Northwest "is a very viable option," according to one of those people, but is likely to be pursued only after both airlines emerge from bankruptcy protection this year.
 
Delta and the creditors are expected to soon begin negotiations on the selection process for board members, these people said. Spencer Stuart & Associates Inc. recently spent more than a day interviewing current board members, some of whom likely will remain on the board. The unsecured creditors' committee also has begun assembling a slate of potential directors, according to several people close to the process.


The makeup of a board would be pivotal if Delta Chief Executive Officer Gerald Grinstein keeps his pledge to retire after guiding the airline out of bankruptcy protection. The creditors' committee is seeking a strong hand alongside Delta's in selecting the directors, preferring members open to a future merger that would keep Delta competitive in an anticipated wave of industry consolidation.

This is the reason this deal will fail. Even the AWA folk (myself included) have to admit that this will not sit well with doogie. I think he has his team already assembled and he certainly does not want to give up his chairmanship...

Andy
 
It's those damn unions I tell you

Probably lobbying Congress to block the merger.

Why can't they let the corporate raiders alone to fix the industry through consoloodation.
 
"Stand alone airline" doesn't mean stand alone until exiting bk and then merging with NWA? Sounds like an attorney must be involved in this process...
 
It's all about the money. If the creditors think Delta is gonna give 'em more cents on their dollar, then good luck to them.

NWA may be willing to pay more. You never know till you shop the offer.

Remember, even Delta has a price.
 
Ray Neidl thinks NWA would sell.....

It's all about the money. If the creditors think Delta is gonna give 'em more cents on their dollar, then good luck to them.

NWA may be willing to pay more. You never know till you shop the offer.

Remember, even Delta has a price.



"Northwest would sell under the right terms," says Ray Neidl, an airline analyst for Calyon Securities in New York. "And strategically, Delta and Northwest are a good fit."
For one, analysts note that Northwest has an aging workforce that is poised to retire in coming years, making the task of cutting labor costs that much easier. "A lot of those Northwest workers are going to drop off the rolls," says Roger King, airline analyst for CreditSights, a New York-based institutional research firm. Delta management would also have a selfish reason for partnering with Northwest: It's likely that Delta executives would run the combined airline, and preserve its headquarters in Atlanta.




Bye Bye--General Lee
 
"Stand alone airline" doesn't mean stand alone until exiting bk and then merging with NWA? Sounds like an attorney must be involved in this process...

DAL is required to study all merger possibilities, and yes that includes NWA. That does not mean it's a "done deal". Is it a viable option after exiting BK? Possibly, but so might a whole range of other possibilities. Too early to say.
 
Not all mergers are an acquisition.

I agree FD, but U has dangeled between abou 13 and 16 billion in front of the Delta creditors.

If I recall, investor calculations estimate the creditors will get between 9.5 to 12 billion in Delta's plan.

That's a pretty big swing, and I suspect Delta won't even come in that good. And IMO, the entire reason to start up talks with NWA is an attempt to secure at least what U is offering.

Lot's of politics going on for the next 7 days before the offer expires. Glad I'm watching.
 
This is the reason this deal will fail. Even the AWA folk (myself included) have to admit that this will not sit well with doogie. I think he has his team already assembled and he certainly does not want to give up his chairmanship...

Andy


So wait a second here Andy, the deal will NOT fail because the creditors don't want it, Bethune doesn't endorse it, the DOJ doesn't approve of it and decides to sue someone, Dalpa stops it in court due to the PWA, Congress decides to lambast it and entangle it in a mess, 45,000 Delta employees don't want it, 11 State Attorney Generals file suit on anti-competitiveness, USAir Alpa doesn't want it, and Jim Oberstar objects to it? Oh, that is right, it would ONLY fail if Doug Parker might not be CEO...... Gimme a break chief... Do you and Doug pat each other on the back often? Are you guys friends?? Your deal suks. Overlap is obvious. Give it a rest.



Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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I agree FD, but U has dangeled between abou 13 and 16 billion in front of the Delta creditors.

Actually, it's just a little north of $10B, of which $5B is cash + an estimated $5B in stock (which may not be worth nearly that much by the time the merger is complete). For their efforts, the creditors will have to wait at least another year to see any of it, if they see any of it at all, and they don't really know what they'll get at the end of the process, or whether the process will ultimately pass regulatory muster. However, assuming it does, the company will be significantly smaller than the sum of the two with a $25B debt load and no real additional market presense than what a stand alone Delta provides. Not really a place most folks would want to place a $5B bet.
 
So wait a second here Andy, the deal will NOT fail because the creditors don't want it, Bethune doesn't endorse it, the DOJ doesn't approve of it and decides to sue someone, Dalpa stops it in court due to the PWA, Congress decides to lambast it and entangle it in a mess, 45,000 Delta employees don't want it, 11 State Attorney Generals file suit on anti-competitiveness, USAir Alpa doesn't want it, and Jim Oberstar objects to it? Oh, that is right, it would ONLY fail if Doug Parker might not be CEO...... Gimme a break chief... Do you and Doug pat each other on the back often? Are you guys friends?? Your deal suks. Overlap is obvious. Give it a rest.



Bye Bye--General Lee

Looks like Andy walked right into that one, thats funny.
 
Not all mergers are an acquisition.
Actually, they are -- at least on paper for accounting purposes. Only one can be the surviving entity. It's only a (foolish) pride thing that employees like to brag about "who bought whom".
 
"Northwest would sell under the right terms," says Ray Neidl, an airline analyst for Calyon Securities in New York. "And strategically, Delta and Northwest are a good fit."
For one, analysts note that Northwest has an aging workforce that is poised to retire in coming years, making the task of cutting labor costs that much easier. "A lot of those Northwest workers are going to drop off the rolls," says Roger King, airline analyst for CreditSights, a New York-based institutional research firm. Delta management would also have a selfish reason for partnering with Northwest: It's likely that Delta executives would run the combined airline, and preserve its headquarters in Atlanta.



Bye Bye--General Lee
The only way DL/NWA even comes close to a merger is if they are forced. Forgetting GL's "I've heard in the pilot lounge that Doug Steenland wants to retire to some lake in MN" retort, it's my belief that Mr. Steenland would want complete control of any DL/NWA merger. In other words, Bastian and Whitehurst would play second fiddle. The DL moniker and ATL would survive.

If the creditors committee is serious about no deal and it is not merely posturing for more money, then DP will pick up his marbles and head home. It's my guess he will waste no time in scheduling meetings with Glenn Tilton and the next possible merger. CAL will then try and move US Air out of the picture with their own proposal. Either way, it's my guess this will be the catalyst to eventual consolidation.

:pimp:​
 
Actually, they are -- at least on paper for accounting purposes. Only one can be the surviving entity.

Surviving entity? You mean surviving name and that's not relevant because by definition a merger is a combining of two companies into one. And no, there does not have to be an "acquisition", not even on paper, new stock in the new company can be issued to the stock holders.
 
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If Grinchstein said DELTA would emerge as a stand alone carrier, why is he talking with NW ??
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read your own statement. Grinsteind has always said Delta wants to emerge as a stand alone carrier. Never has he said Delta will stand alone long term. Really he can't say that. You don't know what will happen in 5 years, or even in five months. If someone else (UAL/CO?) starts consolidation, Delta may find they have to participate. If that time comes, Delta will merge with the right partner. USAir is not the right partner for Delta and a DL/US merger produce a weak airline if industry wide consolidation does take place.
 
On paper NWA and Delta are an excellent fit...except when you consider the vastly different fleet types.

How would the Flightinfo masses suppose that minor detail would be "synergized"?
 
On paper NWA and Delta are an excellent fit...except when you consider the vastly different fleet types.

How would the Flightinfo masses suppose that minor detail would be "synergized"?

The DC9s are ready to go, and Boeing or Emb would love to replace them. Remember, DL had at one time pre-911--777s, MD11s, 764s, 767-300ERs, 767-300DOM, 767-200s, 757s, 738s, 727s, 733s, 737-200s, MD88s, and MD90s. Now we have half of those gone. NWA just got rid of their DC10s, and their DC9s would be ready to go as they got something newer. Boeing, on our Creditors Committee, would love to sell them (us I mean) something I am sure. We will be eventually getting rid of the MD88s and MD90s too, in favor of more 737-800s/700s. It takes a while to change fleets, but it can be done.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Surviving entity? You mean surviving name and that's not relevant because by definition a merger is a combining of two companies into one.
No, I don't mean the name because that's arbitrary and immaterial. Case in point: AWA is listed for accounting purposes as the acquiring carrier in the AWA-USAirways merger. An acquired company may or may not then be merged into the acquirer, e.g., a wholly-owned subsidiary.
And no, there does not have to be an "acquisition", not even on paper, new stock in the new company can be issued to the stock holders.
I'm not a lawyer or an accountant so I can't dispute that but to my knowledge all airline buyouts/acquisitions/mergers have not happened that way.
 
No, I don't mean the name because that's arbitrary and immaterial. Case in point: AWA is listed for accounting purposes as the acquiring carrier in the AWA-USAirways merger. An acquired company may or may not then be merged into the acquirer, e.g., a wholly-owned subsidiary.I'm not a lawyer or an accountant so I can't dispute that but to my knowledge all airline buyouts/acquisitions/mergers have not happened that way.

Weren't you the guy who stated it didn't matter what the creditors thought in this situation? I think you need to read the article, again. I have your quote if you need to be refreshed...


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
So wait a second here Andy, the deal will NOT fail because the creditors don't want it
Pure speculation. The CC has made no statement either way.

Bethune doesn't endorse it
How do you know? His statements were vague at best. Speculation!

the DOJ doesn't approve of it
Again speculation. They have not even reviewed the case yet.

Dalpa stops it in court due to the PWA
Possibility but not reality yet. Speculation.

Congress decides to lambast it and entangle it in a mess
Speculation! Can you read minds or something? I need the Lotto numbers...

45,000 Delta employees don't want it
So!

11 State Attorney Generals file suit on anti-competitiveness
Maybe! Speculation. Did you say you had those lotto numbers?

USAir Alpa doesn't want it
Simply not true. There you go making crap up again! US ALPA is taking a neutral stance on the issue. Go ask Moak. Yes it bothers me...

Jim Oberstar objects to it
For now. When he gets all the info he'll likely make a final decision then. But for now Speculation.?

Bring on the articles you sift through to help you make your OPINION known to the rest of us here on flightinfo. Oh by the way are those article you so vehemently endorse published by the media? Yeah thought so...

Here's to you and yours... Yes it's the bird!

Andy

Bye Bye--General Lee[/quote]
 
No, I don't mean the name because that's arbitrary and immaterial. Case in point: AWA is listed for accounting purposes as the acquiring carrier in the AWA-USAirways merger. An acquired company may or may not then be merged into the acquirer, e.g., a wholly-owned subsidiary.I'm not a lawyer or an accountant so I can't dispute that but to my knowledge all airline buyouts/acquisitions/mergers have not happened that way.

You are correct, that not all buyouts/acquisitions/mergers happened that way, but some do, and that is the point I am making.
 

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