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A couple of quick question. Anyone in the Guard or Reserves gone from UPT/Initial Qual to a Regional? I'm trying to figure out how many hours I need before I apply (should be able to fly a lot this year with the AF). Also, should I take the ATP written? Specifically looking at CHQ or XJT. Thanks!
 
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Had 10 AF guys in my class at CMR. Most of them were retired LTC+ however if you are in the reserves I think 500tt is the bingo number here.


Waco
 
I'm in the same boat dude. I'm just starting Phase III in the T-1 and looking for work when I get outta here. Currently have a application out with Eagle. They are the only ones I have the time for, since the college I went to has a flow through with them (500tt/100me for mins).

It's frustrating that after all this tough training and experience, that I still won't be qualified for basically any regional out there. One option for you is to check out some freight companies and see if you can land a gig in the right seat. I am sort of looking into Western Air Express, but haven't been able to get any info as far as mins, schedules or pay.

Probably the best scenario for the both if us is to just keep bummin until we have the time for somewhere else.
 
I was wondering the same thing myself. I'm looking at about 600tt and a desert rotation or two this year. My active duty orders are about to run out. How do you score an interview at Comair or another regional with such low time? I was under the impression that there were hard minimums, except for the bridge programs. I'd like to work for Mesaba or Pinnacle but the posted minimums are still a year or two away. Any thoughts?
 
WTF are you guys doing. Please tell me you are not going straight from UPT to a regional. You have to be crazy. Why not fly military if you have the chance. What is your reason? Military was everything to me until I found out I am colorblind. I live my life without ever know what my dream would have been like. And you guys have the chance, then go and quit for a dirtbag regional who who will treat you like sh!t.

For those of you who completed and served after UPT, this is no disrespect to you.
 
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The_Russian said:
WTF are you guys doing. Please tell me you are not going straight from UPT to a regional. You have to be crazy. Why not fly military if you have the chance. What is your reason? Military was everything to me until I found out I am colorblind. I live my life without ever know what my dream would have been like. And you guys have the chance, then go and quit for a dirtbag regional who who will treat you like sh!t.

For those of you who completed and served after UPT, this is no disrespect to you.
Dude, we're Guard/Reserve here. Chill. We need real jobs too.
 
Why don't you gurad bum.The pay is way better then a regional and you make your own schedule.Check out baseops.net for more info.
 
The_Russian said:
Ok, but you really (I'm serious) don't want to waste your time with a regional if you don't have to.
I know plenty of people that are very happy at regional airlines. Of course not many plan on making a career of it, but it's just one of those stepping stones.

Unless you know how someone can go from guard bumming to FedEx or UPS... I'm all ears...
 
There is more to bumming than just pay! First off you are racking up quality hours. Fly your ass off with your unit, upgrade to AC fast and then your able to log PIC hours. The more you fly with your unit, the greater the chance you will have of making a good impression on those who bless upgrades.
 
Upgrade time...

I was mainly interested in Regionals that are growing and have upgrade times in the <3 year range. I would rather get on with a Regional/seniority list now, get part 121 experience and start logging PIC time in both in 3 years or so. If the upgrade time at CHQ and XJT is now more than 3 years, I might have a different opinion. Thanks for your responses...
 
Russian, you're killing me. To actually think someone would finish UPT and then quit. We can't quit. Our commitment is at least ten more years.

Here's my situation. My active duty orders end next month and then I'll be bumming with my unit. My squadron is short man days right now so it will be difficult to pick up extra days. With one drill weekend a month and one AFTP a week, that is about $800 a month.

I fly E model Herc's. We break half the time before we even get started. Also, the fleet is severely hurting due to wing spar cracks. Most of our working planes are gone. I flew a total of 1.3 this week and was cancelled tonight and tomorrow. That is not much flight time.

Yes, it's quality time, fun as hell, pays well, and is in my opinion one of the best jobs in the world, but not enough flight time and pay to guard bum only. That is why I am considering a regional. I just don't have the total time that they are looking for, or so I thought.

One other note. Not all squadrons are the same. Some guys are able to make a good amount of money guard bumming and fly plenty of hours.
 
How is your unit short handed but your not able to get enough flight time and money.Look for trips with other units and take all the ones you can with your unit.I know guys who make decent money,double what a regional pilot make to start.And Marine Grunt why wouldn't Fedex or UPS take a guard bum?If there willing to take a 2000 hour mil pilot over a 4000 civilian pilot that is saying something.
 
psysicx said:
And Marine Grunt why wouldn't Fedex or UPS take a guard bum?If there willing to take a 2000 hour mil pilot over a 4000 civilian pilot that is saying something.
I meant someone with 300-600 hours. It takes a while to get 2000hrs bumming.
 
He said his unit is short *man days*; that doesn't mean they're short people, it means they're short on funding.
 
Twasilew said:
Russian, you're killing me. To actually think someone would finish UPT and then quit. We can't quit. Our commitment is at least ten more years.

Here's my situation. My active duty orders end next month and then I'll be bumming with my unit. My squadron is short man days right now so it will be difficult to pick up extra days. With one drill weekend a month and one AFTP a week, that is about $800 a month.

I fly E model Herc's. We break half the time before we even get started. Also, the fleet is severely hurting due to wing spar cracks. Most of our working planes are gone. I flew a total of 1.3 this week and was cancelled tonight and tomorrow. That is not much flight time.

Yes, it's quality time, fun as hell, pays well, and is in my opinion one of the best jobs in the world, but not enough flight time and pay to guard bum only. That is why I am considering a regional. I just don't have the total time that they are looking for, or so I thought.

One other note. Not all squadrons are the same. Some guys are able to make a good amount of money guard bumming and fly plenty of hours.

Sounds like my life 8-9 years ago. I took a chance on the turbo prop regional world. People thought I was crazy. I went to the regionals and gained some valuable experience in Part 121 ops and loads of flight time I wasn't getting in the Reserves. I didn't want to be begging for mandays, TP's all month long, and wondering if we would get additional mandays at the end of the year. Plus I needed benefits for my family that the Reserves didn't offer at the time ie., major medical, eye, dental, retirement. Soon after getting hired at the commuters, I went to AC school, started logging AC time. Then upgraded in 2 1/2 years at the regional, spent 6 months as Captain Part 121, got hired at 2 different majors, then furloughed after 9/11, hired by another major in 2002.

Others pilots in my unit played the waiting game as a Reserve bum, some got hired at the majors the same time I did, but none are flying for a major now, nor will they until they come back from furlough. At least, they are still have flying jobs in the Reserves.

You got to do what you believe is in your best interest for securing your future. At that time in my life, I believed going the commuter route would give me the best possible chance at a major airline. So far it has worked out for me.

Looking back, the commuters was the most fun I ever had flying Part 121. Unfortunately, they just don't pay very well, nor do they treat their people very well. Plus like it was posted before, you can always take a little mil leave to help you money situation and your morale.
 
Go to a regional, take MIL leave and go on every trip you can (on orders) do aftps at home try to do grounders and get orders to fly. Apply where you want when you get the time


I know, easier said than done....but who said it was easy.
 
Whore!
 
I've been where you guys are, I bummed for 2 years. Did everything to get Tp's and mandays, but I mangaged to survive. One thing you guys might look into, which I think someone else already recommended, is calling other squadrons to see if they need some help. If not, also perhaps try to get some mandays doing a non-flying job. Just curious, is your chief pilot telling you to go get a civilian job? Aren't their any mandays you can get helping out tactics/intel/stan evil? Utimately, I would try to stay bumming for a bit until you can upgrade, I think the magic number is around 800 hours, then you can get 4-5 months of mandays down at the rock. I think the mins for most regionals you would want to consider working for are at least 1000/100 or something like that......of course the 130 time is good time to have. When are you guys going to get activated?? That should be coming around some time I bet....
 
RichO said:
I've been where you guys are, I bummed for 2 years. Did everything to get Tp's and mandays, but I mangaged to survive. One thing you guys might look into, which I think someone else already recommended, is calling other squadrons to see if they need some help. If not, also perhaps try to get some mandays doing a non-flying job. Just curious, is your chief pilot telling you to go get a civilian job? Aren't their any mandays you can get helping out tactics/intel/stan evil? Utimately, I would try to stay bumming for a bit until you can upgrade, I think the magic number is around 800 hours, then you can get 4-5 months of mandays down at the rock. I think the mins for most regionals you would want to consider working for are at least 1000/100 or something like that......of course the 130 time is good time to have. When are you guys going to get activated?? That should be coming around some time I bet....

Whats the ROE for getting man days at other units? Just call call up their ops bubbas and see what they have? Do your assigned units ever have problems with pilots doing this? If you have the time, I'd like to get the down and dirty on how to go about it...

Thanks.....
 
You guys ever consider doing something outside of aviation for your real job? Tell you what, if I were in your shoes, I'd either go to school (if your schedules permit it...I don't know) or just get out there and find something interesting to do. Then you'd get to fly military and have something interesting to do if and WHEN aviation takes a dump on you.

But if all you want to do is fly, then by all means do it.
 
There are no "Stepping stones". The regionals are going to be the final stop for many people. The days of old are over. Wake up and realize it.
 
I guess its different for every person.The C-17 guy I talked to said he would have not quite bumming if they had medical insurance.The pay is more then a regional and you pick your schedule.So he got a full time at his squadron.
 
With all due respect,

You should be more concerned with becoming mission qualified/aircraft commander then worrying about getting on with a regional airline with 500TT. Granted you've had excellent training and would no doubt be ahead of the curve compared to someone that logged 500 hours in general aviation or even a college program. You signed up to do a job in the Guard, so now become good at that. Plenty of time out there for you to get on with a regional or beyond. And, as someone else pointed out there are lots of "real" jobs out there that will subsidize your flying habit.

Good luck,

ex-Navy Rotorhead
 
Kaman, with all due respect, I'm curious have you been in the Guard/Reserve? If you haven't, it's a little difficult to understand the whole system. Most guys/gals in the Guard/Reserve dont' understand every little way of getting paid etc......heck, you could probably get your masters degree in getting paid in the guard/reserves. There are times where no matter how bad you want to serve your country etc, there is just no money to pay you. Depends how your squadron is doing, especially towards the end of the fiscal year......0 money....I'm with you on staying around and doing the mil flying if you can, but if there isn't any money, I understand where these guys are coming from.

As for finding work at other squadrons, first I would check with your chief pilot and ask him/her if it's ok if you call around to some other squadrons to see if they need someone to fill in on a trip or some locals what have you. Second, then call the schedulers at variuos squadrons and just tell them what your doing. Sometimes there might be trip that they've tried to fill and can't find anyone.....I believe if your guard call guard, and if your reserve call reserve (for pay reasons).....It' s been a number of years since I did that, but I flew a two week trip with my sister squadron and they kept calling after that to see if I could fly on some others....so if you get that sort of thing going on, it can work. But, make sure you talk to your chief pilot first and make sure it's ok...you dont' want to piss of the hand that feeds you......also, you might want to swith this thread over to the military section, or ask it over there. There are guard/reserve folks that read that...also, go to www.baseops.net and scan the msg board there, once again there are guard/reserve folks that read that.
 
Good info. Thanks dude.
 
MarineGrunt said:
Whats the ROE for getting man days at other units? Just call call up their ops bubbas and see what they have? Do your assigned units ever have problems with pilots doing this? If you have the time, I'd like to get the down and dirty on how to go about it...

Thanks.....

You must be smoking crack. Getting man-days from other units? It's difficult enough to get them from your own most times. Best of luck getting another squadron to give up their precious pay periods.
 

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