UPT Syllabus?

[talondriver]

Maybe we're talking about 2 different things with this RAG/RTU deal. Our RTU happens *after* IFF. For example, you'd go to Luke AFB in Phoenix for F-16s. Those guys do a LOT more than just learn to fly the jet. Of course there's the initial qualification checkride, but they go on to cover it all while they're there. The goal of RTU is to graduate a dude who's ready to walk into a fighter squadron as a ready-to-fight wingman.

the RAG is the same as RTU. The Navy just does a better job of combining the training prior to the RAG.
If the AF was serious about turning out fighter pilots in phase III (the bomber thing doesn't matter) they would ultimately do the same with the T-38 track.

Pat- Do the prowler and Hoover guys go through the whole T-45 track?

 

[Fury220]

the RAG is the same as RTU. The Navy just does a better job of combining the training prior to the RAG.
If the AF was serious about turning out fighter pilots in phase III (the bomber thing doesn't matter) they would ultimately do the same with the T-38 track.

Pat- Do the prowler and Hoover guys go through the whole T-45 track?

Yeah, but have you ever heard the story about the 10 monkeys, the bananna, and the cage?

 

[talondriver]

Yeah, but have you ever heard the story about the 10 monkeys, the bananna, and the cage?

I don't think so. Is a slam on our Navy bros?

 

[Fury220]

I don't think so. Is a slam on our Navy bros?

For once, no.


The story comes from an old scientific study. Scientists took 10 monkeys and placed them in a large cage. From the top of the center of the cage, they hung a fresh, ripe bananna. Whenever one of the monkeys tried to get to the bananna, however, a technician would spray ALL the monkeys with a very high pressure blast of water.

Since all the monkeys were getting hosed each time a monkey went for the bananna, they monkeys got smart: They'd start beating the sh!t out of a monkey each time he started to go after a bananna. This way, no monkey would try to eat that delicious piece of fruit. The behavior had been conditioned.

After a couple weeks of this, the scientists removed one of the monkeys from the cage and replaced it with a NEW monkey that had not been in the same room during the earlier part of the experiement. Naturally, the first thing this new monkey did was go for the bananna. Can you guess what happened? That's right: the 9 other monkeys kicked the sh!t outta him before he could get close. Each time he tried, the other monkeys stepped-in to prevent the spray of water. Because of this, no water was sprayed into the cage at any time during the introduction of this new monkey.

So, a couple of weeks later, the scientists switched out yet another monkey. As you can guess, the results were the same. It never got the banana, and no water needed to be sprayed into the cage at the monkeys.

Over time, all the monkeys were replaced with new ones. They all learned the "no banana" rule like those before them, until, one day, there were 10 monkeys in the cage who had absolutely NO IDEA why they were beating the sh!t out of the monkey who'd reach for the banana.



...and that, folks, explains the idiocy of AETC. Haven't you also heard the words "I dunno why we do things this way, man...it's just always been done like this..."


haha -- that is the monkey story.

 

[talondriver]

...and that, folks, explains the idiocy of AETC. Haven't you also heard the words "I dunno why we do things this way, man...it's just always been done like this..."

Yes I have. As a matter of fact, that was the answer we get from the Wg/CC on why we continue to push ourselves to graduate studs on time only to have them sit in the GAP office for three months. It'll take time to move the AETC elephant on anything because it requires a lot of people in the command to change their routine. We wouldn't want to force the shoe clerks into accomodating the operators.