UPS Strike?

[BIGBROWNDC8]

AAAhhhh, so much perspective and less than a year on property... but hey, only a month or two left...

I think the problems here at UPS are a little more complicated than that. Sure, there are always a few pilots who want everything for nothing, but from my perspective (5 years wearing brown) UPS has earned its reputation. For every case you cite with a guy who wants something for nothing, I can give you 10 cases where the company has completely screwed the pooch or made a wrong decision and screwed someone...

 

[stonewall]

BBB posts are usually funny, BUT...he talks about being screwed now. And, no doubt, some of our bros in brown are getting screwed, but he ain't one of them. I won't dig them up, but there are several posts on here by BBB bout him sitting Reserve and simply not flying. He brags about not flying and still getting paid, and then tries to say he's getting hosed by scheduling. Yes, UPS and FDX need new contracts, but let's not be martyrs.

 

[EMBPILOT1]

UPS is a trucking company that owns airplanes, where Fedex is an company that is centered around the airline. UPS promotes almost everyone from within so you have some ex feeder driver making airline decisions with no clue how to operate an airline. To think how much money UPS COULD make if they spent half the amount of time on fighting new contracts with their labor groups instead of running an airline. I guess we will never know.

 

[capt. megadeth]

AAAhhhh, so much perspective and less than a year on property... but hey, only a month or two left...

I think the problems here at UPS are a little more complicated than that. Sure, there are always a few pilots who want everything for nothing, but from my perspective (5 years wearing brown) UPS has earned its reputation. For every case you cite with a guy who wants something for nothing, I can give you 10 cases where the company has completely screwed the pooch or made a wrong decision and screwed someone...

Awww, come on, I have friends that have been here a while. I know how it is here. Give me a break, I am just tired of other new hires who put their app. in on a Friday, got the call on Monday b!tching about everything under the sun when they themselves have been here less than a year. It kind of gets old. My comment was seriously directed more at newer guys here not old timers. I seriously have heard more b!tching from new hires junior to me than anyone senior to me. I guess I should have been more clear.

 

[L'il J.Seinfeld]

Awww, come on, I have friends that have been here a while. I know how it is here. Give me a break, I am just tired of other new hires who put their app. in on a Friday, got the call on Monday b!tching about everything under the sun when they themselves have been here less than a year. It kind of gets old. My comment was seriously directed more at newer guys here not old timers. I seriously have heard more b!tching from new hires junior to me than anyone senior to me. I guess I should have been more clear.

Mega--Was that comment directed at me!!?? Is that also why you don't return any calls? I'm still waiting on all the bad treatment to start from Mgt. I thought initial training was great and I have been treated well by everyone. UPS may be a little spartan, but it beats the hell out of the active duty USAF and sleeping in rat infested tents in the desert. That being said, when everyone is saying the same thing, it's usually true. Every single UPS pilot I have met that's been here longer than 2 years says the same thing about the company and mgt. I can be bought though. Pay me well and you can paint the ASC whatever color you want.

 

[GVFlyer]

Oh mega ... I think your awakening will occur in another few years of working for these "swell" guys. Trust me, there will be a time in the middle of the night where you'll be dead tired, get the reschedule from hell (because the other crew nearly DIED flying the mess!), sent into less than min rest, the scheduler will laughingly tell you to, "Fly it and grieve it", and you'll grit your teeth and salivate over the "opportunity" to share your pent up goodwill with the company! :uzi:

I've felt it and seen it in many. You will (unfortunately) also ... just give it time. Thankfully, it passes though.

BBB

A friend I flew with at Andrews AFB is a 747 Captain at UPS. He says fundamentally the same thing. It was interesting watching his transition over time from Team Player, Company Man, Workaholic to his current mindset.

GV

 

[JohnnyCash]

Little Jerry:

Patience- the dog will bite sooner than later.

 

[capt. megadeth]

Mega--Was that comment directed at me!!??

Oh my gosh, NO! Not at all!

 

[SKYMASTER]

I'd rather strike than keep working under this contract.

 

[UPSer]

You'd be better off under THIS current contract than the crap the EB/NC are getting ready to shovel on us.

 

[Aviator7576]

contract

UPSer...

On what do you base that statement? The proposed scheduling rules, while not perfect, are an improvement over what we have now. 15 days of rsv versus 16; week on week on for domestic next day; commercial tix for domestic system.

Improvements in the B Plan (greater percentange plus credit flown not blg) and the A plan (plus the elim of the ss offset) are long overdue and welcome. Not to mention that pay will increase significantly.

I'm not rosy on ups...this place will never be a swa where you enjoy coming to work. But we can improve this place to the point that if they treat us like red-headed stepchildren, at least we can be well-compensated red-headed stepchildren.

JMO

Aviator7576

 

[UPSer]

UPSer...

On what do you base that statement? The proposed scheduling rules, while not perfect, are an improvement over what we have now. 15 days of rsv versus 16; week on week on for domestic next day; commercial tix for domestic system.

Improvements in the B Plan (greater percentange plus credit flown not blg) and the A plan (plus the elim of the ss offset) are long overdue and welcome. Not to mention that pay will increase significantly.

I'm not rosy on ups...this place will never be a swa where you enjoy coming to work. But we can improve this place to the point that if they treat us like red-headed stepchildren, at least we can be well-compensated red-headed stepchildren.

JMO

Aviator7576

What do you consider significant increases? Pay for Capts. is only going up around 20% or so and the B plan is only 12% and maybe 1.25% for the A.

 

[Aviator7576]

proposed contract

UPSer...

Pay initially may be going up 20% for capts...for fo's it will be more...and step increases every year instead of 2% every 18mos...we currently get 11% B plan on blg...even if we get 12%, it will be on total w2 which is a hefty difference when you add in the extra cats and dogs that accumulate in you pay.

1.25% A plan without the ss offset beats our current pos A plan hands down. I would rather have more emphasis on the B plan but not willing to give up one to get the other. The proposal has increases in both.

Maybe I'm a glass half full kind of guy, but I look for the positives before I emphasize the negatives. This TA may not pass (less than 50-50 chance based on my unscientific polling) but eventually we will get something a great deal better than we have now. If you would rather work under this contract than the new one, that's your choice. There are masochists all over the world that thrive on pain and discomfort. But the fact remains that the new contract will improve on the old one.

JTF

Aviator7576

 

[bohnzai]

I just want a class date so I can complain about working at UPS. I feel left out.

 

[UPSer]

I just want a class date so I can complain about working at UPS. I feel left out.

Hope you're one of the lucky 20 or so left to be hired.

 

[bohnzai]

Good odds

Hope you're one of the lucky 20 or so left to be hired.

Thanks for the support. I hope all of us on this forum are included in that 20. What was it, 20 out of 68? that's about 3 to 1 odds. I'll take that action.

Bohnzai

 

[Mamma]

Is that 20 left to be hired until the contract is ironed out; rest of the year; or for the next few years?

 

[Big Beer Belly]

Is that 20 left to be hired until the contract is ironed out; rest of the year; or for the next few years?

For the next few months only would be my guess. Why:

We've got 100+ FE's that will retire after a TA

I believe 10 MD-11's and 3 747-400's delivered next year (approx 22 pilots/acft ... long haul/intl staffing model)


Halting hiring prior to a new contract, followed by a massive panic and hiring wave has been their "modus operandi" in the past. The hiring spring is being compressed and it will pop. We've seen this before. It partially serves to frustrate those here into voting for any TA just to see "movement" on the seniority list.

BBB

 

[LittleLearBoy]

I just want a class date so I can complain about working at UPS. I feel left out.

B,

Now that was funny!!! I would like to be one of those 20 just so I can quite hearing that quote by people......"So have you heard from UPS?"

LLB

Not as funny as yours.

 

[Check Essential]

I believe 10 MD-11's and 3 747-400's delivered next year (approx 22 pilots/acft ... long haul/intl staffing model)

The only part of that model which often makes me wonder is the future of the 72’s and the DC-8’s at UPS. These a/c will not be around forever (I know…the 8’s probably will) and with all of the MD’s, -400’s and 380’s we have on order, there still would be no net growth of the seniority list if the 72’s and 8’s are parked. Especially since you’re losing narrow-body 3 man a/c and replacing them with wide-body 2 man a/c.

Even with double crewing on the –400’s and 380’s, it doesn’t seem like there would be a net gain in crews as the older a/c are parked considering how much more the new a/c can carry.

It seems like there won’t be any true growth (as in seniority list 3500+) until we announce some kind of huge a/c order.

This is just me thinking out loud…completely unscientific.

We shall see!

CE