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noneya

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LOUISVILLE, Ky., Oct. 25 /PRNewswire/ -- "Why would UPS, which owns the safest airline in the world, outsource the flying of cargo from the Far East into Middle America on one of the world's most dangerous airlines," asked Captain Tom Nicholson, President of the Independent Pilots Association.
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The IPA recently discovered that UPS Supply Chain Solutions has been outsourcing more than 300 flights a year, on a single route, from its own airline to China Airlines. Six times a week, under the cover of darkness, a China Airlines 747 arrives in Nashville to deliver 60 tons of cargo to one of America's largest computer manufacturers. Until August 2001, these flights were made by FedEx, but that's when UPS Supply Chain Solutions won the contract and created a freight forwarding package that outsourced the flying to China Airlines.

"The 2,500 UPS pilots have an unblemished safety record. China Airlines uses foreign aircrews that are not required to go through the same background checks as American pilots," said Capt. Nicholson. He went on to say, "China Airlines is not a member of the International Civil Aviation Organization."

In the last decade, China Airlines has lost four wide-body jets at the cost of 688 lives. China Airlines' latest crash in May of 2002 was a Boeing 747 bound for Hong Kong that broke up in mid-flight, killing all 225 aboard.

"Night after night China Airlines flies cargo into America that has not been screened to the to the U.S. standard, if it has been screened at all," said Capt. Nicholson.

A survey of more than 1,000 American adults conducted earlier this month revealed that 83 percent of Americans are opposed to allowing China Airlines to fly their cargo planes into the United States. The survey also found that more than 72 percent of Americans are opposed to UPS outsourcing pilot labor to China Airlines.

Survey methodology: Random sample of 1,016 American adults aged 18 and older. Margin of error is +/- 3% at the 95% confidence level. Interviews were conducted by telephone from Oct 6 through 10, 2004. Interviews were completed by International Communications Research of Media, Pennsylvania at the direction of FrederickPolls, LLC, an Arlington, Virginia-based opinion research firm.

The IPA is the collective bargaining unit for the 2,500 professional pilots who fly the 268 heavy jet UPS fleet. IPA pilots fly more than 1,890 UPS flight segments every day to multiple points over five continents. In addition to being the world's largest transportation company, UPS is also the world's eleventh largest airline.
 
international politics

For the same reason that Russians fly Antonov's out of Opa Locka competing with US Carriers. Politics. This is part of the old Flying Tigers rights, etc, etc, When the companies changed, perhaps they were not given the rights.
 
Cargo Cabotage

Thank AK Senator Ted Stevens for getting the ball rolling allowing cargo cabotage. Expect more of the same from the Bush Administration if he's "the man" for four more years.
 
You can have a great scope clause and it would be meaningless in the you want to come here, we get to come there, world political scene.

Freight forwarding solutions are not your product. There may not be a package that says UPS on the trip. If you do not think that UPS should be in the freight forwarding business, that is one thing. To be in that business, you have to be able to select the best and most cost efficient means or someone else is going to do it.
 
(its great how if you sit behind a computer screen and pound a few keys you become an expert on any and everything??!!!)

IPA 100% of the time for 100% flying
 
noneya said:
In the last decade, China Airlines has lost four wide-body jets
Think Fedex batting the same numbers...
 
And we've killed how many at FedEx???? That's right ZERO.

If that's making lemonade out of lemons....you should try flying night hubs turns freddie - it ain't a cup a tea, Chinese tea at that.........but don't worry about us at FedEx Freddie, you just keep posting those porn chicks on the web. Or if that's your sister PM me her phone number!
 
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Sandman,

His sister's phone number is up on the bulletin board in the locker room. . .
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sandman2122 said:
And we've killed how many at FedEx???? That's right ZERO.

If that's making lemonade out of lemons....you should try flying night hubs turns freddie - it ain't a cup a tea, Chinese tea at that.........but don't worry about us at FedEx Freddie, you just keep posting those porn chicks on the web. Or if that's your sister PM me her phone number!
so much for damage control
 
flybrowntails

In the late 80's. Evergreen International sent me to China to negotiate a joint venture with the Chinese for cargo flights to the United States. As Fedex would be the first to tell you, that was not a deal that the United States or China would agree to as to rights granted under the freedoms.

Fedex had to buy Flying Tigers when it became evident that they would never be able to establish the world wide rights that Tigers had on their own. This company does not do their own flying.
 
UPS hides behind its Freight Forwarding gig to violate the IPA's Scope agreements. If we cant make them stand by thier word or written agreement, I hope we can make it as painful as possible for them to continue to cut the kinds of corners that they do. Regardless of weather it says UPS on it or not, if its touched by UPS in any way, its UPS... End of story... Look at the Dell computer deal being flown in and out of the USA on China Air... I just hope the next 747 from China Air that falls apart doesnt do it over my home...

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100% Always
 
I'm glad the IPA is finally putting this out in a press release. Clearly this is a back door to outsourcing, and it's been going on a while. If it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck...


Absolutely 100% IPA
 
The net result will be they will not get the business. You just do not pick up and fly where you want out of the country.
 
This is clearly George Bush's fault.

;)
 
I dont care if we (IPA/UPS) get the flying, were not getting it now anyway, so If UPS is going to (IMHO) violate in some ways our scope by outsourcing the flying, Id rather UPS not get the business at all. That way, IF UPS wants the business, they might spend time figuring out how to get the business and stay within their contractual limits...


BBDC8
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100% Always
 
Isn't there a provision in your (UPS) contract which allows them to use an outside carrier as long as they publish the trips in your bid packages and displace the crews who are awarded the trips?
 
Freight Fowarding

Freight forwarding business is consolidation of freight from other cargo companies into one load placed on available or chartered services which have the route rights between countries. Freight forwarders sometimes offer pick up and delivery but for the most part, that is the purview of the cargo company that has the customer.

China Airlines may be the only carrier with freighter rights that serves this route.
I do not believe that this is a violation of any scope agreement. The UPS freight forwarding company may not even be paying for the flight. The computer company may have made that arrangement and is having the forwarder package the shipment at the airport. Therefore they would not be outsourcing.

If you are going to be a pilot for UPS and have a career there, you might want to take some time and learn about the business end of the equation.
 
UPS Scope

Publisher,

What UPS is doing is called double-breasting. That contract is between Dell computers and UPS Logistics. It is an entire 747 full of computers. Our scope is very specific about using a company controlled by UPS to carry anything more than 3 "cans" of packages. UPS cannot create a second company and then conract out the flying. I look forward to what the settelment will be on this issue.
 
It is also important to remember that the cargo originates in Taipei, goes through Anchorage and on to Nashville. UPS has the rights on that routing.

Publishers, I know you are a company man and I can appreciate your opposing comments, but in this case the company is clearly outsourcing.

Check out - http://www.ipapilot.org/ for more info.
 

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