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"Just what I expected."
Just so there is no misunderstanding. I feel that everything I post at a message board, such as flightinfo, should be fair game and educational for all. Thus....I don't like PM's. What else did you expect?
FL410? How on earth did you figure that out? Please PM me.
Sup CW. I'm thinking about left seat on da Bus but wouldn't intrude on ya'lls territory since I'm a left coaster. How was the training?
Just so there is no misunderstanding. I feel that everything I post at a message board, such as flightinfo, should be fair game and educational for all. Thus....I don't like PM's. What else did you expect?
FL410? How on earth did you figure that out? Please PM me.
Sup CW. I'm thinking about left seat on da Bus but wouldn't intrude on ya'lls territory since I'm a left coaster. How was the training?
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"If you were to bid ONT as a newbie would you be flying the killer night schedules?"
I'd say as a newbie in ONT, you'll have a 50/50 chance of reserve. It could be a good thing in those times when reserves don't fly much (not these days). B reserve is extra senior. Newbie lineholders will get the last of the VTO's, that's best described as a secondary bid after the main bid. Also, newbie lineholders will get the worst of the published lines. I'll define that as the YVR-BFI-RFD-IAH, as it can't get much worse than that, though it's week on, week off. A really crappy hard line in ONT is anything with four reports in a 28 day period. Of course, you never know who will bid what, as I, as the number 5 guy, just bid a line with four reports in a pay period.
ONT is a good domicle if you like living near SoCal, otherwise, I'd suggest you bid something else.
I'd say as a newbie in ONT, you'll have a 50/50 chance of reserve. It could be a good thing in those times when reserves don't fly much (not these days). B reserve is extra senior. Newbie lineholders will get the last of the VTO's, that's best described as a secondary bid after the main bid. Also, newbie lineholders will get the worst of the published lines. I'll define that as the YVR-BFI-RFD-IAH, as it can't get much worse than that, though it's week on, week off. A really crappy hard line in ONT is anything with four reports in a 28 day period. Of course, you never know who will bid what, as I, as the number 5 guy, just bid a line with four reports in a pay period.
ONT is a good domicle if you like living near SoCal, otherwise, I'd suggest you bid something else.
"What kind of start and finish time would be bad?"
Of course, that varies with personal opinion. Here's a couple of gems.
FR 0891 757 LAS (18)01:26 PHX (19)02:33[ 0:45] 1:07
FR 0891 757 PHX (20)03:18 DFW (00)05:27[ 3:09] 2:09
FR 0892 757 DFW (03)08:36 PHX (03)10:41[ 0:45] 2:05
FR 0892 757 PHX (04)11:26 LAS (05)12:23 0:57
TU 6009 757 YVR (17)00:53 BFI (18)01:41[ 0:55] 0:48
TU 6009 757 BFI (19)02:36 RFD (00)05:51[ 2:19] 3:15 C
TU 0490 757 RFD (03)08:10 LAN (04)08:58 0:48
FR 0897 757 RNO (19)02:52 MHR (20)03:34[ 0:46] 0:42
FR 0897 757 MHR (21)04:20 ONT (22)05:34[ 3:26] 1:14
FR 0834 757 ONT (02)09:00 SLC (04)10:27[ 0:45] 1:27
FR 0834 757 SLC (05)11:12 BOI (06)12:07 0:55 4:18
To be honest, they changed up the YVR pairings to end in LAN instead of IAH, which makes it better. The LAS deal is a ball buster, if you ask me. These are considered the worst pairings in the domicle. As such, they will tend to go junior. A lot also depends on how "clean" the line is. If there are no two day filler (stuffers to bring up line credit) trips in the middle of your week off, bad pairings become more senior. Some easy flying might have four shows in 28 days, and thus be more junior. You have to look at line quality based on how a commuter would see it. That's pretty much how things work as many local guys will often bid reserve and the most commutable lines are senior.
"would it be better for a newbie to bid reserve"
It would during times when the reserves don't work as hard, which (I'm guessing here) is most of the time. Also, bidding reserve only makes sense if you live in SoCal.
As a parting comment, ONT hot standby has historically been really junior. You show around 5pm and are done at 1am. You sit around ops and wait for an airplane to break somewhere. Internet access, lounge chairs, and a TV. They don't use you much and you get the same number of days off as a lineholder. Bad part is you have to show up instead of just being on call, like a reserve. Good part is more hard days off than a reserve and they don't actually make you fly much.
Of course, that varies with personal opinion. Here's a couple of gems.
FR 0891 757 LAS (18)01:26 PHX (19)02:33[ 0:45] 1:07
FR 0891 757 PHX (20)03:18 DFW (00)05:27[ 3:09] 2:09
FR 0892 757 DFW (03)08:36 PHX (03)10:41[ 0:45] 2:05
FR 0892 757 PHX (04)11:26 LAS (05)12:23 0:57
TU 6009 757 YVR (17)00:53 BFI (18)01:41[ 0:55] 0:48
TU 6009 757 BFI (19)02:36 RFD (00)05:51[ 2:19] 3:15 C
TU 0490 757 RFD (03)08:10 LAN (04)08:58 0:48
FR 0897 757 RNO (19)02:52 MHR (20)03:34[ 0:46] 0:42
FR 0897 757 MHR (21)04:20 ONT (22)05:34[ 3:26] 1:14
FR 0834 757 ONT (02)09:00 SLC (04)10:27[ 0:45] 1:27
FR 0834 757 SLC (05)11:12 BOI (06)12:07 0:55 4:18
To be honest, they changed up the YVR pairings to end in LAN instead of IAH, which makes it better. The LAS deal is a ball buster, if you ask me. These are considered the worst pairings in the domicle. As such, they will tend to go junior. A lot also depends on how "clean" the line is. If there are no two day filler (stuffers to bring up line credit) trips in the middle of your week off, bad pairings become more senior. Some easy flying might have four shows in 28 days, and thus be more junior. You have to look at line quality based on how a commuter would see it. That's pretty much how things work as many local guys will often bid reserve and the most commutable lines are senior.
"would it be better for a newbie to bid reserve"
It would during times when the reserves don't work as hard, which (I'm guessing here) is most of the time. Also, bidding reserve only makes sense if you live in SoCal.
As a parting comment, ONT hot standby has historically been really junior. You show around 5pm and are done at 1am. You sit around ops and wait for an airplane to break somewhere. Internet access, lounge chairs, and a TV. They don't use you much and you get the same number of days off as a lineholder. Bad part is you have to show up instead of just being on call, like a reserve. Good part is more hard days off than a reserve and they don't actually make you fly much.
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A week at UPS is really five or six days, which often include positioning and depositioning duty.
ONT has turns to RFD, DFW, and SDF, which go junior. Maybe only 5% of the lines are turns but it seems like there are always turns in open time, so you could trade for them if that's what you like. There are also two day trips but you won't find trips like that in an entire line. They are used as stuffers to increase line credit more towards our guarantee. Again, short trips are often in open time cause commuters don't like them. If you liked them, for some reason, I'm sure you could trade into them.
ONT, though it's a more senior base, doesn't seem to me that hard to get into these days with all the hiring. In the past, it WAS hard to get into but now I can't see it taking more than a year and even the occasional new hire gets ONT.
ONT has turns to RFD, DFW, and SDF, which go junior. Maybe only 5% of the lines are turns but it seems like there are always turns in open time, so you could trade for them if that's what you like. There are also two day trips but you won't find trips like that in an entire line. They are used as stuffers to increase line credit more towards our guarantee. Again, short trips are often in open time cause commuters don't like them. If you liked them, for some reason, I'm sure you could trade into them.
ONT, though it's a more senior base, doesn't seem to me that hard to get into these days with all the hiring. In the past, it WAS hard to get into but now I can't see it taking more than a year and even the occasional new hire gets ONT.
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