UPS finally did it!!!

[Brown Cow]

The news is out.........UPS finally managed to make more than $1 billion profit in 3 months. Is this f'ing unbelievable or what??????

I certainly hope that the stinking NMB realizes this and forces this trucking company into recognizing that trucks don't make it accross water; that it takes 25 trucks to fill just one whale; that without the IPA, UPS could take a zero off the end of that profit number.

Do it safe, do it slow....100% and not one percent more. "Someday" is today.

 

[Wise Guy]

They made a billion, but they missed Wall Streets expectations and the stock is down today. I'm sure the missed earnings numbers have nothing to do with the pilots, since we are giving 100% to the company.

 

[Green]

They made a billion, but they missed Wall Streets expectations and the stock is down today. I'm sure the missed earnings numbers have nothing to do with the pilots, since we are giving 100% to the company.

I sure hope you guys are shooting for the moon with your negotiations because UPS is one of the few companies that could actually afford to pay 300k+.

 

[gkrangers]

I sure hope you guys are shooting for the moon with your negotiations because UPS is one of the few companies that could actually afford to pay 300k+.

Which is extremely excessive. Yeah, cargo is in better shape than the passenger carriers, but theres no reason to go nuts here. The UPS pilots can get a great deal that won't strain the company either. That what everyone needs...

 

[8vATE]

quick question..

For the UPS guys..

What percentage of revenue is generated by the air operation vs. the ground?

Are those numbers around?

thx

former box driver

 

[Falconjet]

Excessive?

Which is extremely excessive. Yeah, cargo is in better shape than the passenger carriers, but theres no reason to go nuts here. The UPS pilots can get a great deal that won't strain the company either. That what everyone needs...

Excessive? I don't think so. Let me see, I wonder if the Lakers ever cleared a BILLION dollars in a quarter. I don't think so. Yet somehow they manage to pay some guys 15-20 Million per year to play basketball.

Want to talk excessive, how about multi-million dollar golden parachutes for duchebags who "manage" their airline into the ground while demanding Bk judges throw out the contracts so they can rape their employees?

That seems more excessive to me than a Widebody International Captain bringing home 300K a year.

That Capt certainly does more for the bottom line than most managers.

Try again.

FJ

 

[Green]

Excessive? I don't think so. Let me see, I wonder if the Lakers ever cleared a BILLION dollars in a quarter. I don't think so. Yet somehow they manage to pay some guys 15-20 Million per year to play basketball.

Want to talk excessive, how about multi-million dollar golden parachutes for duchebags who "manage" their airline into the ground while demanding Bk judges throw out the contracts so they can rape their employees?

That seems more excessive to me than a Widebody International Captain bringing home 300K a year.

That Capt certainly does more for the bottom line than most managers.

Try again.

FJ

I agree with you there. 300k is a lot of money but definitely not excessive for a widebody international captain working for a hugely profitable company. If SWA can afford to pay their 737 captains 200k/year on a razor thin profit margin then UPS can easily afford 300k for their top guys/gals. my .02

 

[Archie Bunker]

Excessive? I don't think so. Let me see, I wonder if the Lakers ever cleared a BILLION dollars in a quarter. I don't think so. Yet somehow they manage to pay some guys 15-20 Million per year to play basketball.

Want to talk excessive, how about multi-million dollar golden parachutes for duchebags who "manage" their airline into the ground while demanding Bk judges throw out the contracts so they can rape their employees?

That seems more excessive to me than a Widebody International Captain bringing home 300K a year.

That Capt certainly does more for the bottom line than most managers.

Try again.

FJ

Right on the money Falcon......nicely said.

 

[capt. megadeth]

To the 3 above posters:

Yup, yup and yup

And I think they can afford to pay new hires at least above the poverty line.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

there are companies clearing 3-5X that a quarter.

UPS can afford to pay 300K to pilots.

why do people insist they shouldn't? - are YOU not worth it? STRAIN the company??

this business is un-freakin-believeable. No wonder idiots work for 15K/yr.

 

[RJDC]

Congrats Beth on your upgrade!

 

[gkrangers]

Yeah, cuz all those industry leading contracts have done so well for everyone...

I'd love to make 300k a year, but I do think its excessive. I'd first want to see the bottom of the pay scales come up.

 

[gkrangers]

Oh, and lets see some decent reasoning besides "they can afford it and we deserve it". Some numbers, etc...

I think I'd be willing to settle for mid 200s, if the bottom of the payscale was improved nicely. I think emphasis should be placed on that. But thats just my opinion...

 

[Falconjet]

Come on Greg, isn't 3 BILLION a big enough number for you? Do you have any idea how much revenue a Widebody hauls around on one flight from China to Louisville? It is a big number, I can assure you. That Captain, after 20 years of hubturns has certainly hauled enough freight to justify making 300K in the final years of his/her career.

FJ

 

[gkrangers]

Come on Greg, isn't 3 BILLION a big enough number for you? Do you have any idea how much revenue a Widebody hauls around on one flight from China to Louisville? It is a big number, I can assure you. That Captain, after 20 years of hubturns has certainly hauled enough freight to justify making 300K in the final years of his/her career.

FJ

Thats why I'm here, tryin to learn the logistics of things. I guess you are right. I just wouldn't want to see a massive contract hurt UPS and FedEx like it has the passenger carriers. BUT, that does seem unlikely given their revenue and that revenue seems pretty secure.

 

[EWR_FO]

Thats why I'm here, tryin to learn the logistics of things. I guess you are right. I just wouldn't want to see a massive contract hurt UPS and FedEx like it has the passenger carriers. BUT, that does seem unlikely given their revenue and that revenue seems pretty secure.

The "massive contracts" have had absolutely nothing to do with the situation the passenger carriers are facing. If you believe that, the scumbags that "manage" these companies have done their job. When you sell something for less than it costs to make, you will lose money. UPS and Fedex charge their customers for fuel, the airlines have insisted on having the employees pay for it.

 

[gkrangers]

The "massive contracts" have had absolutely nothing to do with the situation the passenger carriers are facing. If you believe that, the scumbags that "manage" these companies have done their job. When you sell something for less than it costs to make, you will lose money. UPS and Fedex charge their customers for fuel, the airlines have insisted on having the employees pay for it.

You are right. BUT, if a great contract is ever attained again, it'll be the first thing the company goes after when rough times hit. Like you said. Unfortunately.

 

[gkrangers]

I know how bad management is dicking everyone over, but the pilots have to do whatever they can to protect themselves...

 

[EWR_FO]

You are right. BUT, if a great contract is ever attained again, it'll be the first thing the company goes after when rough times hit. Like you said. Unfortunately.

Even the "great" contracts over the last ten years, have not even kept pace with inflation from the contracts of the 60's and 70's. We are our own worst enemies.

 

[L'il J.Seinfeld]

For the UPS guys..

What percentage of revenue is generated by the air operation vs. the ground?

Are those numbers around?

thx

former box driver

About 40%, give or take. That makes about 1.6 billion in profits on the backs of our pilot group. Keep in mind that second year widebody pay is 117 at FedEx. Second years at UPS is 76. We only have 17 727s and a few dozen DC-8s, which have a gross weight more than an A-300 which is a widebody anyway. The time has come and the free ride is about to end for UPS.

 

[optimater]

Congrats Beth on your upgrade!

I know who you think you are talking to, and if you knew her as well as you think you do, you'd know she's not checking flightinfo. So apparently you are clueless.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

The news is out.........UPS finally managed to make more than $1 billion profit in 3 months. Is this f'ing unbelievable or what??????

I certainly hope that the stinking NMB realizes this and forces this trucking company into recognizing that trucks don't make it accross water; that it takes 25 trucks to fill just one whale; that without the IPA, UPS could take a zero off the end of that profit number.

Do it safe, do it slow....100% and not one percent more. "Someday" is today.

You are not aware of the facts.

UPS knows how much their air arm contributes to the bottom line. They don't care how much the stinking pilots make. They are only truckers in the sky according to UPS management. If you want to make money in cargo everyone knows it is foolish not to go to FedEx.


Capt. Magedeath,

If you want to impress the pax crowd, show us UPS is willing to pay for the wonderful revenue they get from their pilots. Otherwise, put your opinions elsewhere. SWA pilots make more.

Regards,


FBJ

 

[WhiteCloud]

You are right. BUT, if a great contract is ever attained again, it'll be the first thing the company goes after when rough times hit. Like you said. Unfortunately.

The pilot contract will be the first thing they go after regardless of how good it is. Get it while you can.

 

[vetrider]

Come on Greg, isn't 3 BILLION a big enough number for you? Do you have any idea how much revenue a Widebody hauls around on one flight from China to Louisville? It is a big number, I can assure you. That Captain, after 20 years of hubturns has certainly hauled enough freight to justify making 300K in the final years of his/her career.

FJ

I agree 100%. Good way to put it.

 

[MemTrash]

Do it safe, do it slow....100% and not one percent more. "Someday" is today.

Man I love the way you think! We need about 4500 like thinkers at FedEx. How can such smart guys not see the big picture?

 

[Green]

Man I love the way you think! We need about 4500 like thinkers at FedEx. How can such smart guys not see the big picture?

Because from day one of our training as pilots we are taught to follow orders/procedures.

 

[CaptainMark]

Man I love the way you think! We need about 4500 like thinkers at FedEx. How can such smart guys not see the big picture?

i agree 150%..speaking of 150% i'm off on a draft trip...later


JUST JOKES!!!!

 

[L'il J.Seinfeld]

You are not aware of the facts.

UPS knows how much their air arm contributes to the bottom line. They don't care how much the stinking pilots make. They are only truckers in the sky according to UPS management. If you want to make money in cargo everyone knows it is foolish not to go to FedEx.


Capt. Magedeath,

If you want to impress the pax crowd, show us UPS is willing to pay for the wonderful revenue they get from their pilots. Otherwise, put your opinions elsewhere. SWA pilots make more.

Regards,


FBJ

Whateveeeeer!!! You'd be nuts to go to SWA over UPS. But money talks and when our contract gets done it will be screaming at your stupid post.

 

[gkrangers]

Whateveeeeer!!! You'd be nuts to go to SWA over UPS. But money talks and when our contract gets done it will be screaming at your stupid post.

Good, that contract damn well better be screaming at that post.

 

[JohnnyCash]

who cares. i don't base my life, prof./personal on what a sw or fdx guy makes or does.

our neg.s are only relative to us. what is going on at sw has NO bearing on a multi billion dollar transportation/global airline. it is like comparing apples and cheerios.

johnny