UPS Base Policy

[P-47]

I posted this on the cargo side with no hits. I know what FedEx base policy is. I was wondering what UPS base policy is. If hired by UPS I know you are seat locked, but are you also base locked. SDF is the junior base, but can you transfer bases, ONT, MIA during your first year? Any info would be great.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Check Essential]

I posted this on the cargo side with no hits. I know what FedEx base policy is. I was wondering what UPS base policy is. If hired by UPS I know you are seat locked, but are you also base locked. SDF is the junior base, but can you transfer bases, ONT, MIA during your first year? Any info would be great.

Thanks in advance.

If you’re asking about a lateral move only (same seat, new domicile) I believe the answer is yes, you can change domicile in your first year. This assumes a few things; (1) the MIA and ONT domiciles are 757 only, so you would have had to have been hired into the 757 to begin with; (2) you are not hired into the back seat because then you are talking about upgrade (SO to FO) and; (3) there is a system bid in which your seniority allows you to hold the new seat/domicile.

All of that might be moot anyway because I don’t think there are any locks for new hires. It all depends on what the company wants to do. When I was a new SO I was able to hold FO before I finished new hire training, but the company elected to withhold myself and other new hires from upgrade in exchange for FO pay protection on our 2nd anniversary. Two system bids later they released us from withholding and I was able to upgrade at just about the 1 year mark.

I’m in the 757 “Z” (international) domicile and could change domicile (SDF, MIA, ONT) at any time if there were a system bid and my seniority could hold the new domicile. I am however locked into my a/c type (757) for 1 year after the competition of upgrade training.

Hope this helps.

CE

 

[SKYMASTER]

I agree with Check Essential. Short answer, UPS is a union pilot group working under a contract. It's all about seniority and vacancy.

If you get hired at UPS, it could be any seat, any equipment, any domicile. It's pretty much luck of the draw. If you don't get what you prefer, you can probably get what you want within one to two years. It just depends on seniority and vacancy.

Good luck.

S

 

[P-47]

Thanks for the info. Living and or commuting to ONT or MIA for that matter might be difficult, especially on first year pay.

 

[Check Essential]

Thanks for the info. Living and or commuting to ONT or MIA for that matter might be difficult, especially on first year pay.

Living anywhere is difficult on first year pay.

Keep the big picture in mind. It’ll be worth it in the end.

CE

 

[Stan]

I posted this on the cargo side with no hits. I know what FedEx base policy is. I was wondering what UPS base policy is. If hired by UPS I know you are seat locked, but are you also base locked. SDF is the junior base, but can you transfer bases, ONT, MIA during your first year? Any info would be great.

Thanks in advance.

Sorry, but the answer is no. It only affects newhires on the 767 because that is the only fleet with multiple domiciles. But as a newhire for your first year you can't move at all except if the company wants to move you.

 

[Check Essential]

Sorry, but the answer is no. It only affects newhires on the 767 because that is the only fleet with multiple domiciles. But as a newhire for your first year you can't move at all except if the company wants to move you.

Stan, if you're saying that if hired into the 757 you cannot bid another domicile during your first year, you are incorrect. My crash pad roommate is a case in point. He was hired directly into 757 SDF and successfully cross bid to SDFZ during his probationary year...voluntarily.

That's not to say the company might prevent the next guy from doing the same, but it's untrue to say it's not allowable.

If that's not what you are referring to, I guess I misunderstand your post.

CE

 

[Stan]

Stan, if you're saying that if hired into the 757 you cannot bid another domicile during your first year, you are incorrect. My crash pad roommate is a case in point. He was hired directly into 757 SDF and successfully cross bid to SDFZ during his probationary year...voluntarily.

That's not to say the company might prevent the next guy from doing the same, but it's untrue to say it's not allowable.

If that's not what you are referring to, I guess I misunderstand your post.

CE

Actually I'm not wrong. I just spent the last year in SDF on the 767 when I live 30 minutes from ONT. During the last year they put 11 newhires in ONT and I was blocked from bidding the open positions. I know at least 2 newhires in ONT that would rather be in SDF.

The company has released most classes to be able to bid before the full year was up, usually somewhere between 1 to 3 months early. That is probably what happend to your roomate.

 

[JohnnyCash]

come on stan listen to check essential. he must have at least what a year maybe a year 1/2 playing at the death star. i'm sure he knows the ins and outs of the contract and what ups will and will not do.

 

[Check Essential]

come on stan listen to check essential. he must have at least what a year maybe a year 1/2 playing at the death star. i'm sure he knows the ins and outs of the contract and what ups will and will not do.

Johnny, yes I've been with UPS for 1.5 years. Wish I did know it all, but I don't come close.

Like I said, this is what happened to one guy...and Stan is right, it was toward the end of his 1st year. And I think I already alluded to the fact that past performance is no guarantee of future results.

If you don't like what I have to say, feel free to add me to your "ignore" list. I promise my feelings won't be hurt.

CE

 

[Iron Man]

Will UPS ever lower the 1000 hour jet PIC requirement? This is hard core.

 

[SKYMASTER]

Doubt it. UPS probably has more than 10,000 resumes on file right now.
Best of luck.

S

 

[BoilerUP]

I didn't think it was a jet PIC requirement, just a turbine PIC requirement...

 

[Iron Man]

Semantics. Turbine is jet as turboprop is prop-jet all is jet. All tied to PIC. UPS has 10000 applications so too CAL and even the regionals. Speaking Union pilots to Union pilots, many of the furloughed union pilots from the major carriers that do not have the 1000 "jet" PIC are unqualified for UPS. Surely they have union homes and union families to support. Just not enough experience in the very similar jets. Such is the industry. Pilots are their own worst enemy.

 

[1800 RVR]

Semantics. Turbine is jet as turboprop is prop-jet all is jet. All tied to PIC. UPS has 10000 applications so too CAL and even the regionals. Speaking Union pilots to Union pilots, many of the furloughed union pilots from the major carriers that do not have the 1000 "jet" PIC are unqualified for UPS. Surely they have union homes and union families to support. Just not enough experience in the very similar jets. Such is the industry. Pilots are their own worst enemy.

I feel for all of those that are furloughed. I really do. I've been there 3 times already, and I hope to never have to go through that again. However, the 1000 TPIC has been around for a long time, and many airlines have used that as a hiring criteria. And if it wasn't stated, it was enforced in the interview process. When I was coming up through the ranks, before I got my first 121 job, I knew that the 1000 TPIC was a benchmark that I needed to reach. At the regional that I flew for, we had brand-new CA's that maybe had 5-10 hrs of TPIC under their belts, that were UAL interns, leave to go work for them. Some were gracious in knowing that they were on the gravy train. But then there were others that were arrogant SOB's, flaunting their good fortune in your face. You know what, if they don't have the 1000 TPIC, and you get furloughed, unfortunately you are SOL. They left knowing that 1000 TPIC has always been a benchmark. That's how the ball bounces.

All in all, I don't think it is an unfair policy at all.

 

[pilots-wife]

Management Pilots

Can anyone tell me what the "real" deal is with the management pilot position. Are they really viewed like scabs?

Thanks!