Until Then...

[netjetwife]

This entire thread has nothing to do with Frac families and their success or failures, it has to do with the people who keep us free to sit here and complain on the other threads about how bad our lives are. The military men and Women and their Families are getting the credit in my mind. Their is a difference between getting a larger(or smaller in my case) paycheck and watching your freind die after seeing his chest explode! Please keep that in mind.

On a side note...thanks for the work on the contract, etc and hopefully providing the other fractionals a little more hope for a better outcome.

Take care all.

I certainly didn't mean any disrespect. I was saying hello to a friend who posted on the thread. Those who know me, know my husband is a retired F16 pilot with combat time in Iraq. My support of the troops is also well known. We have NJ pilots deployed in the war who followed the contract battle closely and thanked the pilots at home for fighting for their rights to fair wages. Not all battlefronts are overseas and our pilots there would be the first to applaud those who show courage in standing up to a company that acts like the enemy. As we have photos like those in the video in our own scrap book, I tend to be less emotional about them, I suppose. That does not mean I don't honor their service. I'm sure your lecture was well intended, but it isn't needed. Flying fighters during peace time is still dangerous, and we lost a number of friends. Everyone of them would support my husband in his service to his fellow pilots at NJA.

 

[netjetwife]

Oh please, GAG me! Holding hands and hanging on, it worked. A rising tide in the septic tank will lift all terds.

Cut me some slack, will you?


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Sikntired is a fellow NJ wife. We gave each other moral support during the NJ contract battle. She understood my message even if you didn't. With such a low opinion of frac pilots, why are you even on this section of the board?

 

[Semore Butts]

Everybody back off

CptZero certainly has the right to express his views, he has served so he has some insight into whats goes on.

My opinion is that we have been under attack by terrorist for years. Twin Towers (twice) USS Cole, just to name a couple.

This gig isn't like Viet Nam. If we cut and run on this one they will follow us back to the states.

What do you think we shoud have done as a result of 911 Zero?

Do you think Iraq is better off then they were 3 years ago?

Have you been to Iraq and seen whats going on?

Do you believe what you see on TV. Is that where your getting your opinion from?

Turning your back on the rest of the world is a good way to get stabbed.

Waiting for the terrorist to come to our soil again is not a very good plan.

Don't agree with you even a little Zero, but I respect that you served and certainly have a right to an opinion.

NJW and Flex*wife, you sure as hell are welcome here and have every right to express your opinion.

This right is something that Cptzero served 9 years of his life to preserve for you.

Take care, Semore

 

[Captainzero1]

Semore, I believe Afganistan is where we should have concentrated our efforts after 9/11. That is where the true breeding ground for terrorist were, not Iraq but sadly it is now. So how much safer are we. Remember the saying one man's terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. Keep that in mind. The military option only takes us so far. For 19 young men to hate us so much that they were willing to fly airplanes into buildings to meet Allah is the question that we have to answer, not trying to bomb them into the stone age. Certainly their government does not help, most are despotic regimes who prey on their own people. We need to show them they can have paradise on earth without the 76 virgins. I don't have a magic pill I can give so they won't hate us. The alternative will take a generation or more but we can't keep invading country's or they might call my arse back to active duty after a while.

Spyguy, I had a TSSBI clearance when I was in the military. I know about what goes on. Certainly you know what that entailed.

Israel taking out Iran is probably what will happen. If that happens then what happens to Saudia Arabia, Oman, Qatar, Emirates, all the other oil pumping nations. They are not exactly pals of Israel and they may stick up for Iran by witholding oil to the west. Then what happens to our way of life, care to guess. In the end, UBL would have won.

By going into Iraq, we have screwed the pooch.

 

[Semore Butts]

All good points Cpt, however,

I feel we have just accelerated the inevitable.

Best defense is a good offense.

You can't win a war with a strictly defensive posture.

(Add whatever or how ever many quotes you have as well)

There are so many pro's and cons..... But it is what it is, and I'm happier (if you can be in such a quagmire) that we are taking it to them now instead of reacting to their moves.

Politics kept us behind by 10 years when we stopped short of Bagdad in the Gulf war.

There is no easy answer, and most of the solutions are more then the average American is willing to face.

Face it or not, the future is coming, ans America as I see it may very well by dying, unless we make some very hard sacrifices.

I'm done, just my opinion.

Good luck to you all.

 

[d91papa]

"War is a failure of humanity" -Pope John Paul II.

"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose" - Kris Kristopherson

I don't believe this war has anything to do with protecting my freedom, just my way of life as a SUV driver.

But hey, I'm just 1 out of 6 billion!

And if we don't control the oil supply, how are we gonna be able to fly jets all over the planet!

 

[netjetwife]

Excellent point, Semore!

Politics kept us behind by 10 years when we stopped short of Baghdad in the Gulf war.
My husband flew the F16 out of Incirlik (Turkey) into northern Iraq and down into Baghdad--nightly. I had fully expected the risk to be worth it and wanted the problem (Hussein) taken care of then. AF families were frustrated when years later the pilots were gone months at a time taking their turn doing the No-Fly Zone patrolling. He spent more time doing that than he was gone for Desert Storm. It just hammers home one of life's lessons--Do It Right the First Time.

To tie that thought into the frac situation----had the NJ pilots held their ground on their last contract, it wouldn't have taken them 4 long years to correct their mistake of "caving in" and accepting less than they were worth. The other frac pilots would be wise to heed the mistakes of those who have gone before you.

 

[tailhook]

Captain

well I promised myself I wouldn't get worked up, so last post retracted.

Fly safe

 

[Beatrix Kiddo]

"War is a failure of humanity" -Pope John Paul II.

"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose" - Kris Kristopherson

You forgot "Only the dead have seen the end of war" -Plato

If we werent there, we would be somewhere else. I for one am tired of the USA being the worlds policeman but the majority of the rest of the world is mad.

Unfortunately I think Plato got it right centuries ago...

 

[TailDraggerTed]

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