(Unoffical) ASA Stike Vote ... yes or no

[GeekMaster]

A BIG YES !!!

This issue isn't the same as other Airlines. We are NOT TRYING TO SAVE OUR AIRLINE. They are already profitable. They are simply trying to pad their bottom line at our expense.

Therefore.....those failing to support our cause are already scabs.

 

[Tomct]

People like Joe and ASAidot make me sick! You are just the type of people that mgmnt loves! Nothing but Kool aid drinkers and are just happy to be part of the Assss Team! You guys need a new vision....oh wait, I just ran my cd over with my truck, but I would gladly piss on it and send it to you two JackAsses! Grow a Pair and stand up! Definate YESSSSS for me!

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Its intereresting reading about how its not that bad and "I knew what I was getting into when I took the job" Well you should have known that when you took that job it meant you were taking a UNION job. If you dislike the union so much why did you take a job where you "knew" a union existed? So for all those who say that "you knew what you were getting into when you took the job" I say that right back at you. Like it or not you took a job in a unionized labor group. Yes the union speaks for the majority. Thats just how it works.

Sure, I knew a union was here, and I am a member, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with them. In fact, every chance I get I will oppose them on issues I disagree with.

Regarding the reason we pay, that "you reap the benefits, so you must pay" bull crap is rediculous. That assumes that the union actually helps us, which is not necessarily true. Maybe they foster an anti-company attitude among the pilots, which leads the company to foster an anti-crew attitude. The animosity currently between the groups is why we don't have a contract settled, and I fault both the union and the company for that.

I think we would be better off without the union. Unions had their place 100 years ago. Pilots should be more professional, and less blue collar.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

People like Joe and ASAidot make me sick! You are just the type of people that mgmnt loves! Nothing but Kool aid drinkers and are just happy to be part of the Assss Team! You guys need a new vision....oh wait, I just ran my cd over with my truck, but I would gladly piss on it and send it to you two JackAsses! Grow a Pair and stand up! Definate YESSSSS for me!

I have a pair already, as demonstrated by my not being a follower of @ssholes like you. You're only happy with a union because you aren't man enough to think and act for yourself. You need to pay an exorbitant percentage of your salary to some other guy so he can think for you, and tell your company how you feel... Hell, pay me, and I'll tell them for you.

 

[puddlejumper101]

yes vote for me...and last i checked I was not a thug...just a line pilot not buying management's crap these days. I don't know if what the union says is true or not...but management's memos are quite distorted. No value to them whatsoever...just a scare tactic which is the only way ASA management knows how to lead...

 

[OCP]

Sure, I knew a union was here, and I am a member, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with them. In fact, every chance I get I will oppose them on issues I disagree with.

Regarding the reason we pay, that "you reap the benefits, so you must pay" bull crap is rediculous. That assumes that the union actually helps us, which is not necessarily true. Maybe they foster an anti-company attitude among the pilots, which leads the company to foster an anti-crew attitude. The animosity currently between the groups is why we don't have a contract settled, and I fault both the union and the company for that.

I think we would be better off without the union. Unions had their place 100 years ago. Pilots should be more professional, and less blue collar.

Tell me then... What do you enjoy about our current contract? No sarcasm here I really want to know what you like about what you have right now.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Tell me then... What do you enjoy about our current contract? No sarcasm here I really want to know what you like about what you have right now.

To be sure, I want more. I can't really tell you what I like, but I can tell you what I don't like. The thing is, I don't disagree that we need to work toward an agreement with the management, I just don't think striking is the answer.

Unfortunately, I think our positions are too deeply entrenched to change. We are committed to being adversarial now, and we have to see where this takes us.

I don't like getting extended for an overnight after a 3 day and 6.9 hrs on the last day.

I don't like that we don't have a commuter policy.

I want pref bidding because it will make a more efficient system.

I think that a day off is a day off. If scheduling calls, I shouldn't have to come in unless I choose to.

I think you guys assume that because I'm anti-union I must be happy with the company...not so.

 

[ASACRJFlyer]

ASA Aviator

You continue to be a perfect example of what is wrong with this industry. You talk about pilots needing to think for themselves and not rely on a union to do their thinking for them. So you think management is going to give a rats ass about what Mr. ASA Aviator thinks about work rules, pay rates, scheduling, wrongful termination, loss of license, ect??? (I could go on but you get the point). No, if you voiced a concern or a complaint, you would simply be fired and one of these eager applicants just chomping at the bit to fly a jet would step right up to replace you. That’s why it’s called collective bargaining. A single pilot means absolutely NOTHING to management and they don’t care if you’re freaking Chuck Yeager. Only when the pilot group as a whole (yep, say it with me, the pilot UNION) steps up and tells the company that they either have to play nice or else does your individual concern get addressed. Unfortunately, ALPA is made up of people, and people make mistakes so ALPA isn’t going to be perfect but it’s what we’ve got.
I don’t know if you’ve noticed but as much as you might like to think you are, you are NOT white collar, sorry to have to break you the bad news. You are a highly trained but also easily replaced hourly worker. Here’s another little piece of info for you… The current administration and economy doesn’t give a squirt of piss about the worker. It’s all about the bottom line and if the companies make money, then everyone’s happy, if you happen to be a shareholder. If you happen to be an employee, then an increase in pay hurts the bottom line and is, therefore, a bad thing. That’s the down and dirty economics of this industry. Before anyone starts in on me being a socialist or a left wing liberal wacko, no, I’m actually an independent who happens to think that when the working middle class makes more money, they spend more money, the businesses sell more, the bottom line improves and then everyone wins.

I’ll tell you what, why don’t you as an individual walk over to the GO and tell them what you think needs to be improved with this company. After all, you did say that you can think and speak for yourself. Just don’t forget to update your resume’ before you do, because you’ll be job hunting shortly thereafter.

 

[OCP]

I ask this question because every "good" thing we have was fought for and won with the union.
You say strike is not the answer, yet your not really offering any real path for achieving what you want. This company will NEVER give you things that make your life better, that is why a union was brought in. Skywest is a completely different corperate culture, though they too are now feeling the strain.
We (the union representing the pilots) have tried to bargan in good faith with ASA. Over a year doing that and nothing happened. We went to the next step, and now with that not working almost 3.5 years later we are tired of ASA not trying to move foward.
Granted that it seems that things are actually progressing now, and if it keeps going at this pace then a strike will not have to happen.
But after trying to talk for almost 3.5 years and not getting anywhere, we use the only power we have left.
NONE of us want to strike. But most of us are willing because we are tired of going no where.

 

[ASACRJFlyer]

Very well said, OCP.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

I ask this question because every "good" thing we have was fought for and won with the union.
You say strike is not the answer, yet your not really offering any real path for achieving what you want. This company will NEVER give you things that make your life better, that is why a union was brought in. Skywest is a completely different corperate culture, though they too are now feeling the strain.
We (the union representing the pilots) have tried to bargan in good faith with ASA. Over a year doing that and nothing happened. We went to the next step, and now with that not working almost 3.5 years later we are tired of ASA not trying to move foward.
Granted that it seems that things are actually progressing now, and if it keeps going at this pace then a strike will not have to happen.
But after trying to talk for almost 3.5 years and not getting anywhere, we use the only power we have left.
NONE of us want to strike. But most of us are willing because we are tired of going no where.

I understand. I accept the union's role in our current situation. What really bothers me is the rhetoric though. It just fires me when people try to manipulate me into being a big ole union supporter.

I don't know what the answer is. With the market the way it is, I think it is going to be difficult for any pilot group to make headway. I still don't understand why pilot salaries are the company's answer for saving costs. It seems to me, if fuel prices go up, then fares should go up at an equal rate. This is an old dead horse though, so I'm not going to beat it.

The bottom line is, I'm disgusted with the union and with the company, and I want to throw up any time I read any document from either side.

 

[ASA_Aviator]

You continue to be a perfect example of what is wrong with this industry. You talk about pilots needing to think for themselves and not rely on a union to do their thinking for them. So you think management is going to give a rats ass about what Mr. ASA Aviator thinks about work rules, pay rates, scheduling, wrongful termination, loss of license, ect??? (I could go on but you get the point). No, if you voiced a concern or a complaint, you would simply be fired and one of these eager applicants just chomping at the bit to fly a jet would step right up to replace you. That’s why it’s called collective bargaining. A single pilot means absolutely NOTHING to management and they don’t care if you’re freaking Chuck Yeager. Only when the pilot group as a whole (yep, say it with me, the pilot UNION) steps up and tells the company that they either have to play nice or else does your individual concern get addressed. Unfortunately, ALPA is made up of people, and people make mistakes so ALPA isn’t going to be perfect but it’s what we’ve got.
I don’t know if you’ve noticed but as much as you might like to think you are, you are NOT white collar, sorry to have to break you the bad news. You are a highly trained but also easily replaced hourly worker. Here’s another little piece of info for you… The current administration and economy doesn’t give a squirt of piss about the worker. It’s all about the bottom line and if the companies make money, then everyone’s happy, if you happen to be a shareholder. If you happen to be an employee, then an increase in pay hurts the bottom line and is, therefore, a bad thing. That’s the down and dirty economics of this industry. Before anyone starts in on me being a socialist or a left wing liberal wacko, no, I’m actually an independent who happens to think that when the working middle class makes more money, they spend more money, the businesses sell more, the bottom line improves and then everyone wins.

I’ll tell you what, why don’t you as an individual walk over to the GO and tell them what you think needs to be improved with this company. After all, you did say that you can think and speak for yourself. Just don’t forget to update your resume’ before you do, because you’ll be job hunting shortly thereafter.

I agree with you about the administration and economy. It seems to me though, if we all did what was in our best interest, it would serve the same function as a union. They can't fire us all, and if they fire me, great, I'll go back to my previous career, and buy a couple of planes.

I'm not anti-pilot group, I'm just anti-union.

 

[CTS]

YES IF they want paycuts (including underblock pay). I refuse to make management rich by taking paycuts. I am a stakekholder in this company to, and my decsions on a daily basis could make this company money or lose $$$, therefore I deserve good compensation. If they want to reduce cost I suggest, fuel hedging, better leases on equipment, bid out the cost of parts, settle our contract (less legal fees), offer snack companies our inflight service to promote their product (we get the product for free), and I have other ideas to but BL will have to settle my contract before Igive away all the good secrets!!!!

 

[ArtVandalay]

If one thing holds true about this board, people can't keep their mouths shut. The beginning of this thread was the simple yes or no answers asked for so, I jumped right to the last page and guess what? A bunch of senseless useless blah blah blah... very funny.......

 

[SPDBRD747400]

If one thing holds true about this board, people can't keep their mouths shut. The beginning of this thread was the simple yes or no answers asked for so, I jumped right to the last page and guess what? A bunch of senseless useless blah blah blah... very funny.......

Then that would explain why you just said "yes" or "no." HELLO