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DC8 Flyer
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Graduated 2001, NOT expensive. 36k for all ratings through CFII and a 4 year degree. Not a bad deal. It is cold 4 months out of the year (Nov - Feb). ND/MN woman are some of the best on the planet (if you find a woman who knows what a John Deere 9600 is AND can drive it, keep her).
If you decide on UND, make sure you major in something other than aviation, get a business, computer science, anything but Aeronautics. Nothing wrong with the program perse, advanced aerodynamics, engine theory, etc is all good but you really can't fall back on it if you need to.
The program itself is very "rigid" as it should be, it's a 141 school. Sure there are things that don't make sense, but most of the rules that are a pain are written in "blood". IE, the solo sign off procedures, weather mins for solo flight, etc. But to be honsest with you I had more trouble getting my instructor(s) and my students to fly more, not the other way around.
You pay a little more per hour for the airplane and sims, but you are also flying some well equiped airplanes, flat panel avionics, dual GPS units, autopilots, etc. The seminole sims are very nice with the wrap around visuals (although you dont get to use it much since they are used primarily for IFR training).
http://flightops.aero.und.edu/facts/costs.asp
The above is the average flight costs (note that is not what the course min is, most people can do most of the courses in the min times plus an hour or two as needed. It is all about personnal motivation.
Lemme know if you have anymore questions.
If you decide on UND, make sure you major in something other than aviation, get a business, computer science, anything but Aeronautics. Nothing wrong with the program perse, advanced aerodynamics, engine theory, etc is all good but you really can't fall back on it if you need to.
The program itself is very "rigid" as it should be, it's a 141 school. Sure there are things that don't make sense, but most of the rules that are a pain are written in "blood". IE, the solo sign off procedures, weather mins for solo flight, etc. But to be honsest with you I had more trouble getting my instructor(s) and my students to fly more, not the other way around.
You pay a little more per hour for the airplane and sims, but you are also flying some well equiped airplanes, flat panel avionics, dual GPS units, autopilots, etc. The seminole sims are very nice with the wrap around visuals (although you dont get to use it much since they are used primarily for IFR training).
http://flightops.aero.und.edu/facts/costs.asp
The above is the average flight costs (note that is not what the course min is, most people can do most of the courses in the min times plus an hour or two as needed. It is all about personnal motivation.
Lemme know if you have anymore questions.
rod guhzhinya
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I agree with DC8flyer! Don't get an aviation degree, it is pretty much worthless. I have an avit mgmt degree from UND.... I worked ramp for $6.50/hr for a year after graduation then was lucky enough to get a job in mgmt which fell through a month before I was slated to start.
Currently I am employed as an aircraft dispatcer, my degree from UND and PPL allowed me to take an accelerated dispatcher course, this is the only benefit my $100,000 degree from UND has gotten me so far. But all said, you get from UND what up put into it and I could have worked harder. DC8flyer is right, you can't beat the UND rules, just have to go with the flow.
Honestly, I had a fantastic time at UND and met some of my best friends there. Nodak locals are wonderful people and the local gals are pretty hot.
However, the laptop program and this new CRJ regional Jet training device are typical UND propaganda .....just another way for UNDAERO to get sho' money!
Good luck
Currently I am employed as an aircraft dispatcer, my degree from UND and PPL allowed me to take an accelerated dispatcher course, this is the only benefit my $100,000 degree from UND has gotten me so far. But all said, you get from UND what up put into it and I could have worked harder. DC8flyer is right, you can't beat the UND rules, just have to go with the flow.
Honestly, I had a fantastic time at UND and met some of my best friends there. Nodak locals are wonderful people and the local gals are pretty hot.
However, the laptop program and this new CRJ regional Jet training device are typical UND propaganda .....just another way for UNDAERO to get sho' money!
Good luck
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SiouxHockeyFan said:
yeah, but in the dining centers, man, some of the girls...ugh...
seriously though, I graduated last summer and I don't have any regrets about UND. It's a great school. Training with the best aircraft and the best instructors in the training industry. The classes you take will prepare you well.
Drawbacks is damn it's cold, expensive at times (multi especially) and it's demanding. Be prepared to work hard.
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I was there pre-flood days and I loved it. Whiteys, Bonzers, backdoor, Antique. Pretty much lived downtown. Good program, learned lots. Met my friends that I stay closest to from college. Work at Sam's Club or Walmart. Fun people, always a party somewhere and most of the chicks that work there love to have fun; if you know what I mean.
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Here's a few things that I forgot to add about my comments...
First off, understand that UND (and every other major aviation college out there) is a business. As such, they are going to try and "sell" you on a lot of things when you look at them. Shiny new planes are great (and most university programs have them). But look beyond the equipment... somethings to consider: what qualifications do the instructors have? What do you want to do after college- Fly? Build/design airplanes? Be an Air Traffic Controller? Fix planes? Manage an airport? Some university programs are better suited than others.
Consider the reputation that each school has, and the attitudes of the graduates, as well as the attitudes that other people in the profession have towards a certain school's grads.
From my experience UND and ERAU both put out decent pilots. Typically I have found (as well as have been told) that ERAU pilots generally have better knowledge (AKA systems, aerodynamics, theory) while UND pilots are better stick and rudder pilots (IE they tend to be able to fly better, given the same amount of flight time). It makes sense to me- ERAU is by all rights an engineering school. UND is not. ERAU for the most part has their campuses in relatively decent climates. UND doesn't.
I've heard stories about flight schools in FL (not just ERAU) grounding the fleet for winds at around 10-15kts or having strict limits on what conditions students can fly in... At UND in the wintertime, 15kts is a relatively calm day. One thing is for certain, when it comes to flight experience in various weather conditions, UND is the school where you will get more for your money. Snow and wind in the winter (as well as perfectly clear 100mile vis), and Thunderstorms in the summer, and everything else in between (during my time there I flew in or around snow, rain, low overcast, fog, dodged thunderstorms, saw a few tornadoes, did 20kt+ CROSSWIND landings and 30kt operations.
The decision is up to you... Personally after being out in the industry for a while, I've realized that a degree is a degree and a checkride is a checkride. Once you get out to the airlines and get through training, most people dont really care about where you came from or how you got your ratings. I know some fine pilots from all of the schools out there, and I know some blockheads from each as well.
First off, understand that UND (and every other major aviation college out there) is a business. As such, they are going to try and "sell" you on a lot of things when you look at them. Shiny new planes are great (and most university programs have them). But look beyond the equipment... somethings to consider: what qualifications do the instructors have? What do you want to do after college- Fly? Build/design airplanes? Be an Air Traffic Controller? Fix planes? Manage an airport? Some university programs are better suited than others.
Consider the reputation that each school has, and the attitudes of the graduates, as well as the attitudes that other people in the profession have towards a certain school's grads.
From my experience UND and ERAU both put out decent pilots. Typically I have found (as well as have been told) that ERAU pilots generally have better knowledge (AKA systems, aerodynamics, theory) while UND pilots are better stick and rudder pilots (IE they tend to be able to fly better, given the same amount of flight time). It makes sense to me- ERAU is by all rights an engineering school. UND is not. ERAU for the most part has their campuses in relatively decent climates. UND doesn't.
I've heard stories about flight schools in FL (not just ERAU) grounding the fleet for winds at around 10-15kts or having strict limits on what conditions students can fly in... At UND in the wintertime, 15kts is a relatively calm day. One thing is for certain, when it comes to flight experience in various weather conditions, UND is the school where you will get more for your money. Snow and wind in the winter (as well as perfectly clear 100mile vis), and Thunderstorms in the summer, and everything else in between (during my time there I flew in or around snow, rain, low overcast, fog, dodged thunderstorms, saw a few tornadoes, did 20kt+ CROSSWIND landings and 30kt operations.
The decision is up to you... Personally after being out in the industry for a while, I've realized that a degree is a degree and a checkride is a checkride. Once you get out to the airlines and get through training, most people dont really care about where you came from or how you got your ratings. I know some fine pilots from all of the schools out there, and I know some blockheads from each as well.
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Lilbirny,
aviation training rules of thumbs:
1. Don't shell out $$$$ to aviation colleges.
2. Don't pre-pay more than 10-20 hrs of time
3. Get it through your local flight schools.
4. Get a degree in other than aviation.
5. Don't believe in guaranteed anything..
I have 2 UND grads and 1 ERAU grad as an instructor. I didn't hire them according where they came from, i hired them according to their experience and personality.
Overall, if you are attracted to the big school lower hiring minimums, don't forget that it's rush rush and wait wait game that is played.
Finally, where are you located?
aviation training rules of thumbs:
1. Don't shell out $$$$ to aviation colleges.
2. Don't pre-pay more than 10-20 hrs of time
3. Get it through your local flight schools.
4. Get a degree in other than aviation.
5. Don't believe in guaranteed anything..
I have 2 UND grads and 1 ERAU grad as an instructor. I didn't hire them according where they came from, i hired them according to their experience and personality.
Overall, if you are attracted to the big school lower hiring minimums, don't forget that it's rush rush and wait wait game that is played.
Finally, where are you located?
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Flyerjosh said:
Thanks!! Will have to have some sent my way! Now, if I can only find Keystone Light beer the memories would be complete.
Another option! I didn't take the flying there. I had been flying since I was 13, had most of my tickets before I went. Did a couple at the local flying club. However I flew on the flying team.
Might consider a degree in Aviation Administration or Meteorology, enjoy all the benefits of UND; SAMA, the Flying TEAM, Alpha Eta Rho, but fly cheaply on the side at the local flying club. More than likely your instructors would have gone to UND, and would use the same syllabus as UND. You training is only as good as your instructor and the effort YOU put forth.
Just another option.
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I did the UND thing. Great program, great aircraft, good instructors, and colder than you can possibly imagine.
I like the suggestion to get a degree in something other than the "Aeronautical Sciences" degree. As a soon to unemployed corporate pilot I wish that I had an aviation management degree or something more to fall back on.
I would suggest if you have the opportunity to visit as many schools as possible. I looked at ERAU, Purdue and UND. The facilities, aircraft and overall presentation at UND was the most impressive. But that was years ago now. I'm sure things have changed.
I would suggest it to anyone who is interested. I had a great experience and would do it all over again in a minute.
I would love to have a Ferocious Roast at Bonzer's and a tall Scooner!
I like the suggestion to get a degree in something other than the "Aeronautical Sciences" degree. As a soon to unemployed corporate pilot I wish that I had an aviation management degree or something more to fall back on.
I would suggest if you have the opportunity to visit as many schools as possible. I looked at ERAU, Purdue and UND. The facilities, aircraft and overall presentation at UND was the most impressive. But that was years ago now. I'm sure things have changed.
I would suggest it to anyone who is interested. I had a great experience and would do it all over again in a minute.
I would love to have a Ferocious Roast at Bonzer's and a tall Scooner!
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UND grad - 2003, Pi Kappa Phi, Parrot's Cay regular (get the 15's or you're a pu$$y), buck-50 pitchers, seeing Firehouse at Sensations, working at Menards sucks, hot chicks (found my wife there), tubing at Red Lake Falls (ALWAYS stop on the island), Larimore beach, Red Pepper, Plain Brown Wrapper, sneaking booze into hockey games, busted by cops wearing nothing but tighty whities, speaking of whities.. WHITEYS, love the smell of Lagoon, oh yeah, Simplot too... oh yeah, memories....
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Oh yeah, DON'T major in "Commercial Aviation." Go either Av Mgmt or ATC and get your ratings either somewhere else, or UND if you want.
The only thing I can think the Comm. Avit. degree can do for you is lower some hiring mins (not by much) and that will still apply to you if you get the above degrees.
The only thing I can think the Comm. Avit. degree can do for you is lower some hiring mins (not by much) and that will still apply to you if you get the above degrees.
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