United trying to raise cash again

[Fubijaakr]

I hope so for the Frontier guys sake anyway.....

You realize that United as a bunch of guys on furlough, right?

 

[jmreii]

I want to see ALL the airlines prosper - I don't want to see anybody lose their job. I don't know if there is enough demand to keep all the airlines going.

Bingo, there was never enough demand. the airlines just created an imaginary market that has never produced and more likely than not will never produce anything else but bankruptcy and liquidations.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

You're right and I hate that our country is on that path! I bet that Obama turns into another Carter - one term to totally screw things up and behind him will be the real president that will be the leader this country needs.

War time presidents rarely lose elections.....

One other thing - better hope an airline doesn't go bankrupt during the next 3 1/2 years or our government will be in the airline industry. That will totally mess things up in aviation! How could any publicly held airline compete with an airline backed by our federal government?

Just my opinion though.

Totally mess things up in aviation..... meaning it isn't messud up now..?

Any understanding of the current situation....??

 

[SLOTH]

You're right and I hate that our country is on that path! I bet that Obama turns into another Carter - one term to totally screw things up and behind him will be the real president that will be the leader this country needs.

One other thing - better hope an airline doesn't go bankrupt during the next 3 1/2 years or our government will be in the airline industry. That will totally mess things up in aviation! How could any publicly held airline compete with an airline backed by our federal government?

Just my opinion though.

Linedriver,

Unfortunately it isn't just Obama... The borrowing from the future started a long time before that with Reagan at the helm. Now that I have kids, I'm a lot more sensitive to this idiocy.

 

[contrail67]

How soon you ALL forget that UAL was the airline that you ALL wanted to get on with "back in the day". Now you can't wate for them to go out of business. Pathetic.

I kinda get a kick out of all the "failed" interviews that come out in a time like this.....

 

[contrail67]

$50 per eligible "membership fee" plus a per segment fee for most UAX carriers.

There is a direct correlation of how employees view their employer and/or business partner, and their motivation to conserve costs (i.e. fuel) for that entity. Say what you will about who "owns" the seats but, if I had a company and wanted to DEMOTIVATE my employees in their effort to help save me money, this is exactly how I'd do it.

Passengers might bitch about added fees (which do not get them anything more than they had before) but it is the employees' fingers on the cost knob.

They are not trying to moivate the EXPRESS companies.....you are there because there is legacy airline in the first place....consider yourself lucky to have ANY pass benefits.

 

[The Prussian]

Totally mess things up in aviation..... meaning it isn't messud up now..?

Any understanding of the current situation....??

The case can be made that the government supervised bankrupcy "health spa" of this past decade can account for the bulk of the misery and malaise plagueing the airline industry nowadays. There's been government involvement all along. A truly free market is SELF-balancing, and SELF-cleansing, leading to a healthy marketplace. That's the way I understand the current situation, and any future government involvement.

 

[Newf Dog]

You realize that United as a bunch of guys on furlough, right?

That's worth noting. United purchasing Frontier would not be good for the F9 pilot group at all, at least not for a long time anyway.

I wouldn't be hoping for a United purchase of F9 if you want them to keep their jobs but you just never know how things will play out over the summer.

 

[SBD]

Linedriver,

Unfortunately it isn't just Obama... The borrowing from the future started a long time before that with Reagan at the helm. Now that I have kids, I'm a lot more sensitive to this idiocy.

Agreed. Obama isn't the answer. With that said he isn't the problem or the solution. Our problems are way before him. Times are going to get tougher.

 

[SLOTH]

The case can be made that the government supervised bankrupcy "health spa" of this past decade can account for the bulk of the misery and malaise plagueing the airline industry nowadays. There's been government involvement all along. A truly free market is SELF-balancing, and SELF-cleansing, leading to a healthy marketplace. That's the way I understand the current situation, and any future government involvement.

Very true, but realize that the people that work for "a" company don't have much say in the way that "their" management runs or ruins the company ultimately. Is it right to have the workers on the chopping block because management couldn't find their asses with both hands?

 

[Superpilot92]

You realize that United as a bunch of guys on furlough, right?

I do realize that but I'd rather be bought by a major airline where there may be a chance of at least getting back to a decent paycheck. Being bought by a regional will likely result in being paid less and taking a career hit just the same.

 

[pilotgolfer]

...or...

maybe they only needed another $175 million to pick up a company based in Denver with a fleet of brand new Airbii and over $1 billion in annual revenue (read cash flow) which has been a pain in their side for over a decade while simultaneously preventing the competition from doing the same thing...

...i'm just sayin'...

I think Tilton is in the business of selling airlines...not buying them.

 

[Linedriver]

This industry was built during a time when it was regulated, several terms ago. Barring future regulation it only makes sense that there will probably be some attrition before any stability will return.

Ray Charles could see that this industry is completely messed up. My point is that if there is a bankruptcy during this administration there is a good chance that the government won't allow the failure and enter into the airline industry, just as it has the automobile industry. I don't know what exactly would happen but it would be difficult to compete with an unlimited financed, inefficient competitor.

I know that Obama isn't the answer but in just a few short months he has done what he thought was the right thing, which is probably the wrong thing. I'm no economist but it just makes sense to me that if an entity can't succeed there is a reason and it should probably be allowed to fail. There is no motivation for a healthy, efficient and productively critical business model if the government will just step in when times get tough.

If you stop every forest fire eventually there will be a fire you won't be able to stop and will lose the whole forest.