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Yeah, I'm sure that people eating 42 pounds of McDonald's per week and having heart attacks has nothing to do with health insurance going up. If you get rid of malpractice lawsuits, you have no incentive for doctors to be careful when they practice medicine. You would then have the opposite effect. Insurance having to pay for the extended medical care necessary due to the malpractice. Like them or not, lawyers and lawsuits are necessary evils. Blame them all you want, until you need a lawyer. I guarantee you'll find the meanest and greediest one you can handle. Just ask a few of the divorcees on this board how that works. Or just wait until Delta airlines fails to maintain the brakes on its catering food truck and it injures you while you preflight. Or wait until your chiropractor, working on your back problems due to your sitting on your @ss all day, causes nerve damage from manipulating too violently. Or wait until your own child goes in for something as simple as a tooth extraction and comes out in a coma because the dentist didn't bother to use the proper anesthesia. Again, you don't know you've got until it's gone. Malpractice caps do not benefit the consumer, but the business. There's a reason Bush pushes for it.

How come Bushies tout the fact that there is less inflation today than ever yet when the debt figures are rolled out, they blame inflation? The debt in September of 1992 (just prior to Clinton being elected) was $4,064,620,655,521.66. That's according to your own beloved Bureau of Public Debt. Today, that number is $7,347,867,800,168.01. Again, according to the same source. Look at http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpenny.htm for proof, since you obviously need it to smack you in the head for you to believe it. That's an increase of $3,283,247,144,646.35 in 12 years. Based on your logic, that means that the US dollar has lost 45% of its value in 12 years. The problem is that the numbers don't add up. Check http://www.westegg.com/inflation/infl.cgi for an inflation calculator. You'll find that $100 today is worth $77.58 in 1992. That means that the dollar has lost only 22.42% in 12 years - half of the increase in the debt. So, therefore, the debt has increased due to other measures, such as deficit spending. Keep in mind also that an inflated currency actually helps pay down a monetary debt. The debt has the same dollar value regardless of inflation. So, if you simply double the money supply (100% inflation) by printing more greenbacks, you can pay down the debt twice as fast. Very bad idea. You'll inflate the hell out of the economy and kill business everywhere, but foreigners will like your goods and you'll pay down your debt. You and your neighbor will lose your @sses in your stock portfolios, as well as likely lose your jobs. But you'll have less debt.

It's a simple finance lesson that you Bushies seem to fail. After all, Bush graduated from Harvard Business School. You'd think he would be able to educate the rest of us on these realities. He can't. Hell, I just explained it to you. I go to B-school at ERAU.

Next time you challenge me to post facts, you might want to look at a few yourself. I used gov't data to support this. Gov't data supported by your White House and the Exec Branch of gov't. Google is a beautiful thing. Learn it.

It doesn't matter how you dice it. The debt is higher, Bush spends too much money that he doesn't have, and you can't blame Clinton or inflation. Give it up.

Bush = The Excuses President
 
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Geesh

I've never seen a thread so heinously hijacked. Go find the "let's all complain about politics" board guys!
 
68pilot said:
Avrojockey-
Say it ain't so.
Why did your new contract only contain a 5% raise?

I don't like Bush because he's from Texas, talks funny, and has sh!t for brains.

A pilot voting for Bush is like a Chicken voting for Colonel Sanders.

68pilot
"trapped by the pitfalls of sin since 1979"

Again, unsubstantiated expression. Your dialog only amplifies my point!

BTW - I don’t’ expect politicians to do anything for me, because more than likely they won’t. If I did, I would be a Socialist.
 
You really need to re-read my post!!

merikeyegro said:
Yeah, I'm sure that people eating 42 pounds of McDonald's per week and having heart attacks has nothing to do with health insurance going up. If you get rid of malpractice lawsuits, you have no incentive for doctors to be careful when they practice medicine. You would then have the opposite effect. Insurance having to pay for the extended medical care necessary due to the malpractice. Like them or not, lawyers and lawsuits are necessary evils. Blame them all you want, until you need a lawyer. I guarantee you'll find the meanest and greediest one you can handle. Just ask a few of the divorcees on this board how that works. Or just wait until Delta airlines fails to maintain the brakes on its catering food truck and it injures you while you preflight. Or wait until your chiropractor, working on your back problems due to your sitting on your @ss all day, causes nerve damage from manipulating too violently. Or wait until your own child goes in for something as simple as a tooth extraction and comes out in a coma because the dentist didn't bother to use the proper anesthesia. Again, you don't know you've got until it's gone. Malpractice caps do not benefit the consumer, but the business. There's a reason Bush pushes for it.

How come Bushies tout the fact that there is less inflation today than ever yet when the debt figures are rolled out, they blame inflation? The debt in September of 1992 (just prior to Clinton being elected) was $4,064,620,655,521.66. That's according to your own beloved Bureau of Public Debt. Today, that number is $7,347,867,800,168.01. Again, according to the same source. Look at http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpenny.htm for proof, since you obviously need it to smack you in the head for you to believe it. That's an increase of $3,283,247,144,646.35 in 12 years. Based on your logic, that means that the US dollar has lost 45% of its value in 12 years. The problem is that the numbers don't add up. Check http://www.westegg.com/inflation/infl.cgi for an inflation calculator. You'll find that $100 today is worth $77.58 in 1992. That means that the dollar has lost only 22.42% in 12 years - half of the increase in the debt. So, therefore, the debt has increased due to other measures, such as deficit spending. Keep in mind also that an inflated currency actually helps pay down a monetary debt. The debt has the same dollar value regardless of inflation. So, if you simply double the money supply (100% inflation) by printing more greenbacks, you can pay down the debt twice as fast. Very bad idea. You'll inflate the hell out of the economy and kill business everywhere, but foreigners will like your goods and you'll pay down your debt. You and your neighbor will lose your @sses in your stock portfolios, as well as likely lose your jobs. But you'll have less debt.

It's a simple finance lesson that you Bushies seem to fail. After all, Bush graduated from Harvard Business School. You'd think he would be able to educate the rest of us on these realities. He can't. Hell, I just explained it to you. I go to B-school at ERAU.

Next time you challenge me to post facts, you might want to look at a few yourself. I used gov't data to support this. Gov't data supported by your White House and the Exec Branch of gov't. Google is a beautiful thing. Learn it.

It doesn't matter how you dice it. The debt is higher, Bush spends too much money that he doesn't have, and you can't blame Clinton or inflation. Give it up.

Bush = The Excuses President

First of all, I never said there wasn’t a place for personal injury lawyers, because there is. My point was that malpractice is mitigating practice. That is, frivolous lawsuits, in certain locale, are preventing good doctors from practicing. In WI, there’s no problem, but in areas, such as Memphis, there is. This must stop! Especially when it’s at our expense.

BTW – that doctor friend of mine is married to a lawyer (family practice), and she holds the same opinion as I.

As far as your financial analysis; you’re completely misguided. Your ignorance is shining. Your public debt figures are correct, however, you failed to subtract intergovernmental holdings, which is money the government owes itself. This figure doesn’t matter when considering the liability of the government, only the debt held by the public matters. When you look at these figures, it paints a slightly different picture. Additionally, your source for “the value of the dollar” is incorrect. The following link will give you the Consumer Price Index (CPI) over the past 50 years. http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/data/CPIAUCNS.txt CPI is the true measure of inflation. Over the time period you stated (Sept ’92 to present) the CPI rose from 141.1 to 189.5, this is a 34.3% increase. This is far different than the 22% that you claim. Even if one uses your doubtful economic data, and the national debt has increased over YOUR specified time period (I specified numbers when Clinton won reelection in ’96), you still can’t refute the fact that it is due to expansionary fiscal policy. This is fact!!!
 
scabseeker said:
There is no correlation between medical malpractice caps and lower premimums. Sometimes they go down sometimes up.

It is like the people who say "I hate pro athletes because they make so much money and now I can't afford to take my family to a ballgame." Do you honestly believe that if all the players took 50% paycuts tomorrow the owners would cut ticket prices 50%? Not likely.

Then who pays for medical malpractice awards? I agree with your logic, however, malpractice limitations WILL mitigate increases.
 
Sorry for the hijack, may be some one who knows how can move this thread.

"I simply just hate Bush and think that Kerry won't bankrupt the country, piss off our allies (I mean, we really do need friends in this world to fight terrorism - we can't do it all ourselves - plus, there is more to int'l relations than terrorism)."


Bankrupt the country? Yes we are running a deficit, but we did so during the 80's and 90's as well. IMO taking down communism and the Soviet Union was worth it. The budget was balanced at the end of Clinton's party, I mean term. The Republicans forced it to be balanced once they took control of the House and Senate.

As far as allies are concerned we only need allies that agree with us. France and Germany stayed out of Iraq because they were Saddam's largest trading partners.

"cause me to pay over $300 per month in healthcare premiums, etc."

High malpractice insurance costs, the cost to develop and test drugs, and the lack of the English system of law (i.e. Tort reform) are the causes of our high health care costs. My wifes OB just stopped delivering babies because of it. The answer is not going to socialized medicine, Canada's system is broken, Sweden's system is broken. It does not work.

"I believe that military interventionism for lousy reasons (Iraq) is not conservative. How about a little defense, not offense? "

A little defense? Do you remember 9/11? Defense worked great then!!!

What you liberals don't get is that radical islamists don't just hate me because I support Bush. They hate democrats just as much. They hate us because we are a Christian nation. Thay hate us because we have freedom. They hate us because men, women, black, white, chinese, arab, spanish Americans all have equal rights. We can all vote, we can all drive cars, we can all own businesses, we can all have jobs.

The Religion of Peace? I wish the muslims in this country that do not agree with the radical muslims would make themselved heard.

"I believe that giveaways to businesses are not conservative, as this is gov't support for business. I believe that the ATSB is airline protection, thus not conservative."

Mostly agree with you here, although without the initial help after 9/11 I think we could have seen even some of ther stronger carriers really struggle.

"I believe that supporting a social agenda which specifically denies certain people the right to pursue happiness is not conservative."

Every man and woman in this country has the exact same rights. I assume you are speaking to the gay marriage issue. Why should a gay male or female have any special rights? Do you support a Homosexual bill of rights? Why do we have to label things such as HATE CRIMES? These are the same crimes whether thay are commited against men, women, gay, straight, black, white, etc. Are they any more horrific when they are commited against a certain group of people?

"I believe that the USA PATRIOT Act is a needless intrusion into the privacy of all Americans...and not at all conservative."

Name one case where the Patriot Act has been used illegitimately? To my knowledge there have been no substantiated claims.
 
"Every man and woman in this country has the exact same rights. I assume you are speaking to the gay marriage issue. Why should a gay male or female have any special rights? "

How about the right to marry the person they love?
How about getting partner benefits?
How about the right to visit their significant other in the hospital when they are terminally ill?
How about the right to make end of life descisions for their partner?
I assume these are the rights you are speaking of.
If you think gay people have these rights, you need to educate yourself a little better.

Have a good night all
68pilot
 

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