united Pilot and Furloughees-- we're screwed:

[FLYLOW22]

I said we should just stop selling airline tickets to NJA pilots for about a year. See what happens. We need to start thinking outside the box; this isn't working too well for us just hauling you around from one complaint to the next. If every airline decided to withold service it might work.

Flop, do continue.

I'd like to hear more of your cost cutting/revenue generating ideas.

Let's see... So far, the idea on the table is to eliminate 5,000 or so Y Class fares from the airline books.

Do go on! Like I said... Management potential!!

 

[Flopgut]

F class fare? F=fractional

Flop, do continue.

I'd like to hear more of your cost cutting/revenue generating ideas.

Let's see... So far, the idea on the table is to eliminate 5,000 or so Y Class fares from the airline books.

Do go on! Like I said... Management potential!!

Actually, if you really don't have any control over where you go and on who, maybe we just ought to charge you double? Probably a better idea.

 

[Flopgut]

I am surprised that CEOs have stayed as quiet as they have on the topic of executive transport options to be as fiscally efficient as possible considering their time is worth much more than the average American, not to mention to the company they work for.

The publicity gangbang that occured thanks to news outlets like CNN of Ford's management team arriving in DC to testify about the car industry shows either genuine ignorance on the part of the media (gasp!!! Say it ain't so) or a deliberate attempt at a ratings grab. The general public doesn't understand how a private jet can be used as a tool to increase the earnings of a company by allowing decision makers to cover more ground so that decisions that affect jobs can be made more quickly than if the team travelled through an airlines hub on a bad weather day according to that airline's schedule and from city pairs that the airline chooses to serve.

There is absolutley no way that a CEO could cover 3 city pair desintations in the North East (for example) in one day without private aviation options.

No decisions = bad news for business. Bad news for business is bad for employees, customers, suppliers, business partners and the economy.

CEOs have been much more polite (PC) about the issue than most would... But that's what they do.

For the general public (including u Flop) to assume that everyone in this countey should travel accoring to the same itenerary and mode on XYZ Airlines is quite Socialistic.

Commrade.

I can't disagree. I think the nature of the bailout amount and why was the real issue. Of course, you want good mgrs to be productive and biz jets do that. The question was: Does Ford have good enough mgmt to warrant a royal barge? Not if they need a handout. BTW: Auto makers should be glad they weren't handled like the ATSB handled the airlines. The disparity makes me sick, however.

Furthermore with regard to the disparity, you have an unlimited budget and make at least ten times what we do for a certain flight segment. Even then I know you have to handle wx delays and occasional mx issues just like we do. Difference is, if we have a delay or problem our customers go bonkers. I still have to deal with threats and intmidation from customers and sometimes we're not even late or dropping the ball. It gets to be ridiculous. Some of our customers simply can NOT be pleased. And frankly some of them work for fractionals. They aren't even fractional customers, they're regular employees and they throw fits. Behavior that would get Santulli half interested in giving one of his customers their money back and booting them out of the program is somehow OK when it's one of you riding on us. Maybe if we charged you ten times more you'd mellow out a bit like your own customers seem to?

Here's an example: The other day we have a inflight medial issue. A customer complained of severe pain in his head. This was a transcon and he had undergone a root canal 2 hours before getting on the plane. he was half overdosed on multiple Vicadin but claimed he'd be OK if our "pressurization wasn't messed up"?! (3 month old 737-800, the plane was perfect) So we find out a doctor is on board and get the ball rolling. Well, the other customers hear what is going on and that we have a highly qualified dr. on board with a nice locked cabinet with a whole bunch of fun pharmies in it and a few more decide they need health care! It was total BS! But we have to take care of this stuff. You guys would land your plane, leave the customer on the ground with a very large bill for not only his flight, but any other customers travel plans impacted by his ignorant behavior.