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Skippy

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Rumor: I've heard from multiple CSRs that UA is increasing RJ flights by 30/day starting in early February. At what point will this violate our scope?
Answer from KC Mueller, Chairman, MEC Domestic Code Share Committee: The maximum UAX flying is 100 percent of UAL mainline flight hours (not ASMs or any other metric, only hours). For January 2010, the ratio stood at 85.9% UAX to UAL; UAL flew 122,138 hours, UAX flew 104,875. How much more can they do? Simply put, they can fly as many hours as we do. Because the ceiling is dependent on UAL mainline hours, it is dynamic and really depends on how much mainline flying UAL does.
Going forward all this has to be estimated because UAL offers no guidance to the DCS/RCRC committee. We can look backwards, however. For a little reference, in January 2009, UAL flew 130,077 hours and UAX flew 92,400 for a UAX to UAL ratio of 71.0%. One year later we are at 85.9% Since January 2009 UAL block hours have dropped about 6 percent while UAX has grown about 14 percent and UAL parked its entire 737 fleet.
It is the committee's position that UAL mainline flying can't expand by more than approximately 6-8 percent in 2010 because we just don't have the hulls. UAX flying does, however, have a lot of growth elasticity in it, either through expansion of present UAX carrier flying or the addition of another UAX carrier. Depending on how much flying UAL wants to do this summer, we could see UAL exceeding 90 percent UAX-to-UAL flying, and I think we will.

As we get closer to the magic 100 percent we expect maximum gamesmanship with these numbers and will be ready to defend the contract.

We have filed a grievance that will help a little if we win. UAL doesn't count Gulfstream/GreatLakes/Island Air hours in the UAX time count. The Association's position is that they should. If we win the grievance that might move the needle max 2 percent, maybe as little as 1.



wow, the U sucks even more every day

SKIPPY
 
At the risk of making various folks angry, again, I understand the "take it back" idea, concept, movement, etc...with that said:

How does a pilot group actually "take it back" to have it and keep?

And how does a group with a strong scope clause prevent the erosion of scope?
 
At the risk of making various folks angry, again, I understand the "take it back" idea, concept, movement, etc...with that said:

How does a pilot group actually "take it back" to have it and keep?

And how does a group with a strong scope clause prevent the erosion of scope?

I don't see "taking it back" ever happening...............not gonna see it. That ship has sailed.....I wish I were wrong but I challenge anyone to give me an example of someone "taking it back!"
 
bottom line anything over 70 is mainline PERIOD. Close enough. I'm told the sweet spot is 100 seats in a lot of UAL markets guess that means a 90-110 seater will be going to mainline...OR STRIKE
 
bottom line anything over 70 is mainline PERIOD. Close enough. I'm told the sweet spot is 100 seats in a lot of UAL markets guess that means a 90-110 seater will be going to mainline...OR STRIKE

I hope you're right! While I'm not a member of your pilot group I suspect there's no appetite there for further scope relaxation. Time will tell.
 
I'm SICK and tired of looking at barbie jets at all of the UAL concourses that once had mainline jets. Yes we lost a great scope in C11 and management loves to exploit these little puke jets against us.
 
I don't see "taking it back" ever happening...............not gonna see it. That ship has sailed.....I wish I were wrong but I challenge anyone to give me an example of someone "taking it back!"

HOW would a group "take it back"?

I not looking for, "it will never happen", or "we gave it away in 20XX"...but honestly what would it take to get "it" back?

What about CAL, don't they own all (or most) of the ExpressJet airplanes? How could the CAL folks get some RJ flying into CAL?
 

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