United furloughs

[CRJDog]

They tried and they tried...
Not sure they had much of a leg to stand on.

If the deal was so bad, so un-fair and againt any law, surely the courts would have given the TWA pilots their rightful place on the list by now.

That being said, I have not heard any complains from the senior ex-TWA pilots who are now flying for AA..

The furloughed TWA guys can always try to cry on the shoulder of the furloughed native AA guys (like myself), but not sure they are getting much sympathy.

Blame it on 9/11, not on the AA guys...What did the AA pilots owe the TWA guys in the first place....? Their seats?

I agree.

IMO,the blame was a nearing recession and 9/11 just accelerated it. If the roles were reversed and TWA purchased AA wouldn't you want all TWA pilots protected to minimize furloughs? TWA was in deep sh!t long before the purchase.

The airline that truly got shafted was Pan Am. Surley they were in deep sh!t too but due to a laundry list of events that did not help the airline along with again, TERRORISM, finished it off. Oh wait, DAL had had a role with it's demise as well.

Going back to the subject at hand (my apologies) I hope that UAL furloughees get their jobs back along with all the others on the street.

MY 2 cents,

Peace.

 

[CSY Mon]

There are some of us that NEVER applied nor had any desire to apply to AA.

Excellent, then don't bitch and then stay away from that nasty oufit.
AA pilot, Jeez, overworked and under-paid..No work rules or pension...**CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ty place to be.....

AA (The airline, not the drinking club) seems to have a bad rap among the guys that never worked there and perhaps never got accepted/hired there, as well as the guys that ended up there due to a recent buy-out.
Without of course getting their rightfull date of hire date on the big list.

Aye, poor cry-babies.
They all claim they never wanted to even go there, but if there was a change to scoot over while TWA went downhill fast, then up the AA list they should be.

Newsflash for the wannabees:

AA is a pretty darn nice airline to work for.
Been there, done that.
Now furloughed, but looking forward to going back unless all them Eagle guys and all them TWay guys win their lawsuits and get their "rightfull" place on the list...The one they never applied for or ever wanted.....

 

[XTW]

Excellent, then don't bitch and then stay away from that nasty oufit.


Don't recall ever bitching. If you can find a quote by me that shows such, I'd like to see it. Until that time, I'd suggest getting your facts straight, and maybe see someone about the anger you seem to vent in your post.

 

[CSY Mon]

maybe see someone about the anger you seem to vent in your post.

Me angry?

Talk to the ex-TWA guys that got their career ruined by AA and APA.
Them guys are angry about their position in life and have vented around here.
(Search around for posts on the subject.)
I am like Pavlos dog, I react when some guy joins the AA-TWA conversation saying: I never applied there, or even wanted to work there.
(Like the guys that would like to fly the senior seats, but they really never had a desire to work here, or be here. Sounded like ya)

I'd suggest getting your facts straight,

Thanks for the suggestion, but uh, thought I heard that song about AA before, perhaps I was barking up the wrong tree? My mistake.

Just curious:

There are some of us that NEVER applied nor had any desire to apply to AA.

Glad ya escaped the evil empire.

 

[steveg]

Hey CSY,

Tell us again about how many times you applied and got shot down, and how hard your interviews were. And why that qualifies you to be God's gift to Aviation. Come on, best thing you ever did was get hired by aa right? Because you deserve it? Your company bought another, so you deserve to be a captain on those other planes because you went through such a hard interview at aa? Right? It must be so sad to be hanging on to aa. No really, good luck with what's left of your career. You deserve all the "good" things coming your way with aa.

Oh, before you try to slam me. I have moved on and will not go back to aa. Interviewed for 5 flying jobs in my life and was fortunate to be hired EVERY time. Am now with another GREAT company, and am enjoying every minute of it. Yeah, it sucks to see TWA gone. But it was great while it lasted. That's the sad thing, you are just too full of yourself to realize what you got into at aa. I don't hate aa pilots, just the arrogant p*icks like yourself that tell everyone what you deserve. I mean why not, aa had a hub in STL when you started right? Right? Silence..........

 

[XTW]

Me angry?

Talk to the ex-TWA guys that got their career ruined by AA and APA.
Them guys are angry about their position in life and have vented around here.
(Search around for posts on the subject.)


CSY,

I am ex-TWA. I was hired in 1988 and had flown Captain for three years, on two different pieces of equipment. I am now furloughed. Those, my freind, are the facts.

I, also, have moved on. So don't preach to me. I stand by my previous statement to "check your facts" before accusing me of anything. The more you spout off, the more ignorant you show yourself to be of the situation.


Good Day

 

[CSY Mon]

Oh, before you try to slam me

No slamming from me, but XTW would probably suggest ya see somebody about the anger you seem to vent in your post.

hard your interviews were

Can't say the interviewes were hard, but the whole hireing process at any airline can be lenghty and a pain in the butt. When my previous employer went Ch 11, the 7, some of folks were hoping we would be bought out and just keep flying with a different paintjob on the planes...Didn't happen.

So you deserve to be a captain on those other planes

Never said that..Ya got the wrong guy.

Interviewed for 5 flying jobs in my life and was fortunate to be hired EVERY time

Good for you ace, not eveybody has your great personality and superior skills...

XTW:

I stand by my previous statement to "check your facts" before accusing me of anything.

Thought I already commented on that in previous post, no changes.

 

[rudderdog]

Condor....

Just got back from a trip and saw the last few posts. Thanks for the apology. Accepted, although it should be your misinformed AA buddy apologizing to you for the crap he's been feeding you.

First off, it is a total windfall, if not criminal, that the 2000 hires are still working and TWA captains from 88 are being furloughed. Remember, this was NOT like PanAm/Delta. The intent was much different as noted by, among other things, the big party slogan "Two great airlines, One great furture", given by AA. You cannot compare this to the USAirways guys being furloughed either. This is about an unfair integration. Just because a company is ACQUIRED doesn't equate to loss of seniority. Where in the hell did you get this? Ever heard of Air Canada (I think that was the one)??? I do agree with you somewhat that the financially stronger carrier should have an advantage. Rightful seniority is more about being a certain percentage on the seniority list before AND after the integration, and quality of life not changing for the worse. These guys at AA gained THOUSANDS of numbers (but it's not really about numbers) and up to 20% of seniority OVERNIGHT. And as a result were not furloughed at all or much later than if not for TWA. That is a FACT.

You keep talking about debt. Again, ever heard of Worldspan? Ask you AA buddy and get back to me on that one. Ya know, there were other things like new aircraft, established routes, facilities, trained employees, San Juan (see effect of ticket prices), etc... AA chose which debt not to take.

Sinking ship??.....Not after AA chose which debt not to take. Then again, there's not many ships out there not sinking today.

As for the aquisition.....Gee, this was more like a merger though, don't ya think? Ya know, they all look very similiar in complicated purchases. How much experience in "Corporate America" did you say you had?
Also, ask your AA buddy when the aquisition actually took place. Then ask him when the APA decided to give us our "AA Date-of-hire". Then ask him why he did this to us. Any windfall there that you can see? Get back to me on that one too.

Do you really want to compare us to Reno? They got stapled, right? Or was it date-of-hire? What did you say? It's the same?

Why don't you compare us to AirCal instead?

You said,"Who cares if it's AA or TWA aircraft" (that's still flying). EXACTLY!!!
You are correct, however, the APA sure had a problem with this and it was one of their main excuses for their actions. Now, it doesn't really matter to them since the total opposite happened. We all know that eventually all airplanes will be replaced someday and for different reasons.

Why did you say my career was stolen by ALPA? Stolen and given to whom?

 

[JJGMADDOG]

I think the bottom line is CSY is suffering from the unfortunate and incurable Little Man's syndrome. (A chronic problem with the natives)

Skippy run along and go find yourself a BIG airplane so you can feel important again and spare us the agony of your useless rhetoric!!!

 

[CSY Mon]

Hmm, so many angry ex TWA guys.

Somebody must have hit a raw nerve in that camp to stir up that much hate.
Or is it constant anger 'cause the AA guys did not offer their seats to the TWA guys, then staple themself to the bottom instead..?..

Personal attacks is probably second best.

As I have said before, we can probably all agree that all we wish this buy-out never happened.

unfortunate and incurable Little Man's syndrome

Thanks for the diagnose, but you should probably stick to flying.

Your opinion however is important to me, please call 1-800-EAT-$HIT