United female 737 captain......

[Rook]

You should've said "if you weren't so ugly I'd make you my Dog's bi**h"

Rook

Never come home early unannounced. You might get your feelings hurt. CM

 

[bandit110]

Yes ,we still have a winner and it's not you. The big problem was in trying to operate small jets more frequently on any given city pair. While it sounded like a good idea at the time it just doesn't make sense economically for airlines to do that on most routes ( Just look at Flyi ). While it might not have been what the travelling public would like, airlines should have operated bigger airplanes less frequently or kept the turborprops ( with their better seat mile costs ) and operated those with greater frequency.

Airlines got greedy and some smarty pants MBA decided they could use the RJ to raid the other major airline's cachement areas. So now you have way too many RJs flying way too far to fight over a fixed number of passengers in a small city that can't support that many airlines. When the dot com boom was going and air fares were high the stupidity of this system was overlooked and eventually all the majors joined the band wagon. Obviously the first ones to start raiding a particular market had an advantage, but eventually they all started doing the same thing. The losers had to pull their DC-9s, MD-80s, 737s, etc from those cities. It now appears that all majors were the losers and the actual winners were the LCCs who take advantage of the fact that people want to ride on a decent size airplane that can actually accept carry-on luggage. The RJ operators also win because they are subsidized in the form of fee for departure for their services.

You falsely believe that the RJ operators are going to be okay. Nothing could be further from the truth. They are only doing okay because the majors they support are dying. As the majors are dying they transfer more and more of their routes to the RJ operator. The RJ operators keep buying more and more jets giving you the false impression that they are growing, when in fact the total airline ( RJ operator plus major ) is shrinking. The RJ pilots like this as they progress up the ladder, but the number of legacy jobs is shrinking at a faster rate.

Now here is the kicker, when the major can no longer transfer any more routes to their RJ operator the LCCs will start taking market share away from the RJ operators and the decline of the RJ operators will start. The other scenario is where the LCCs start operating international and the RJ operators have progressively fewer pasengers to feed to their, now international only, legacy carrier. Either way, the days of the regional opertors growth is numbered and then they will die the same death as their partners when it becomes apparent that the high seat mile costs of an RJ can't compete with the LCCs.

The funny thing is that then we are back to 737s and larger aircraft serving the cities that all the majors pulled those types out of a few years ago. Actually it is kind of sad because this whole process will have destroyed quite few careers.


Typhoonpilot

How does any of this justify being rude to a regional F.O.?????

 

[Flechas]

It doesn't , just like it doesn't matter if the 73 Ca was a she or a he.
What she said is not right, tomorrow she might be begging to fly a Fukcing RJ beause her company went belly up. And even if she doen't, we are all in the same boat here, trying to make a living doing what we love and what we know how to do best.

 

[Rook]

Dude if I could make a living doing what I love and do best I'd be starring opposite Jenna Jameson. Flying is a close second though.

Rook

 

[TIGV]

Dude if I could make a living doing what I love and do best I'd be starring opposite Jenna Jameson. Flying is a close second though.

Rook

I agree...check my : Current Position:

 

[Flechas]

Then I take you guys are here for the money!

 

[EMB170Pilot]

Jenna Jameson?? Isnt she that chick who stars in all the G rated movies

 

[Britpilot]

Yes ,we still have a winner and it's not you. The big problem was in trying to operate small jets more frequently on any given city pair. While it sounded like a good idea at the time it just doesn't make sense economically for airlines to do that on most routes ( Just look at Flyi ). While it might not have been what the travelling public would like, airlines should have operated bigger airplanes less frequently or kept the turborprops ( with their better seat mile costs ) and operated those with greater frequency.

Airlines got greedy and some smarty pants MBA decided they could use the RJ to raid the other major airline's cachement areas. So now you have way too many RJs flying way too far to fight over a fixed number of passengers in a small city that can't support that many airlines. When the dot com boom was going and air fares were high the stupidity of this system was overlooked and eventually all the majors joined the band wagon. Obviously the first ones to start raiding a particular market had an advantage, but eventually they all started doing the same thing. The losers had to pull their DC-9s, MD-80s, 737s, etc from those cities. It now appears that all majors were the losers and the actual winners were the LCCs who take advantage of the fact that people want to ride on a decent size airplane that can actually accept carry-on luggage. The RJ operators also win because they are subsidized in the form of fee for departure for their services.

You falsely believe that the RJ operators are going to be okay. Nothing could be further from the truth. They are only doing okay because the majors they support are dying. As the majors are dying they transfer more and more of their routes to the RJ operator. The RJ operators keep buying more and more jets giving you the false impression that they are growing, when in fact the total airline ( RJ operator plus major ) is shrinking. The RJ pilots like this as they progress up the ladder, but the number of legacy jobs is shrinking at a faster rate.

Now here is the kicker, when the major can no longer transfer any more routes to their RJ operator the LCCs will start taking market share away from the RJ operators and the decline of the RJ operators will start. The other scenario is where the LCCs start operating international and the RJ operators have progressively fewer pasengers to feed to their, now international only, legacy carrier. Either way, the days of the regional opertors growth is numbered and then they will die the same death as their partners when it becomes apparent that the high seat mile costs of an RJ can't compete with the LCCs.

The funny thing is that then we are back to 737s and larger aircraft serving the cities that all the majors pulled those types out of a few years ago. Actually it is kind of sad because this whole process will have destroyed quite few careers.


Typhoonpilot

Interesting. I think you are wrong in some of your assumptions though.
I belive that we will see a reduction in scope clauses and an increase in the 70-100 seat market flown by "regional" airlines who will easily under cut the LCC's in operational costs. There is no "little airplane" perception with the new Embraer's. They are as large inside as the equivalent Airbus/Boeing equipment and they are nice and new.

 

[typhoonpilot]

How does any of this justify being rude to a regional F.O.?????

It doesn't. This particular UAL Captain just can't separate the plane from the pilots or the person from the company. It's not a pilot's fault that he is flying an RJ instead of a 737. UAL Captains have a habit of this, they denied quite a few jumpseat requests by USAirways pilots during the UAL/USAirways merger process. Again, not separating the pilot from the company.

I think you are wrong in some of your assumptions though.
I belive that we will see a reduction in scope clauses and an increase in the 70-100 seat market flown by "regional" airlines who will easily under cut the LCC's in operational costs. There is no "little airplane" perception with the new Embraer's. They are as large inside as the equivalent Airbus/Boeing equipment and they are nice and new.

I doubt that the regional airlines will easily undecut the LCCs in operational costs. Again, just look at Flyi. They can't do it. They can't transform fast enough to get out from under the very high operating costs of the CRJ. Look at Skywest's annual report, their operating cost is over 13 cents per ASM while the likes of Southwest and jetBlue are in the 6 to 7 cents range.

I believe you are right in that the RJ operators will be flying more of the 70 to 100 seat market. I still don't think it will be enough to lower their costs though. I've been in the EMB-170 and while I prefer it to a CRJ or the WhShtCnofDth, it's still no 737/Airbus/717.

Typhoonpilot

 

[atrdriver]

For the many who have banished that negative attitude and greeted their fellow pilots with open arms, regardless of gender... I say THANK YOU. Thank you for helping us to enjoy the wonderful life of aviation. Thank you for not giving us a reason to be defensive and to not making us feel that we have to be anymore competitive because of our gender. It has been and always will be a pleasure to work with you!

Happy and Safe Flying out there Folks!

I never said that I have had any problems with women in aviation, and I enjoy sharing my office with anyone who has a good attitude, male or female. In fact, one of my favorite F/O's is female, as is one of my least favorite. My comment that you detest would have been addressed to a female pilot who decided for whatever reason to yell and cuss at me. There is no excuse for that. If she was having a bad day she should have kept her mouth shut. That's what professionals do, not strike out at others.

 

[Wasted]

It doesn't , just like it doesn't matter if the 73 Ca was a she or a he.
What she said is not right, tomorrow she might be begging to fly a Fukcing RJ beause her company went belly up. And even if she doen't, we are all in the same boat here, trying to make a living doing what we love and what we know how to do best.

You mean tits up, don't you?

 

[100LL... Again!]

Obviously, she was one who went to the majors before she was qualified or possessed the necessary skills. After many humiliating hours in the right seat where her deficiencies were painfully evident, she finally made it to the left seat.

Now, to try to regain some shred of self-respect, she ironically falls into typically male "mine-is-bigger" defense mechanism.

I have never met anyone who earned their way to the top who did not act appropriately gracious. Bad attitudes like this are sure-fire signs of massive insecurity. Remember that defense mechanisms manifest themselves only after the need shows up first.

The beauty of it all, my friend, is that you had already won this fight the moment she opened her big, fat, insecure mouth. You never even met before, and already she needs to justify herself. She's a fraud, and she knows it.

To all the very skilled and talented female pilots I have flown with: This nasty little chick is the exception, not the rule, and we all know that.

I bet she goes home and self-gratifies over little encounters like this.


Pa-thetic.

 

[Captain Overs]

Sounds like you could get a job at a Psychiatric hospital as a therapist.

 

[dash8driver]

What, and female captains have the hold on being jerks?

Male captains can be just as rude. What does her sex have to do with her rudeness to you?

now, now english.. are you being sensitive again? if you're going to be the relavance police, at least clean the whole message up.. since sex, company and position in the company are equally irrelevant, here is an idea for your post revision...


What, and United employees have the hold on being jerks?

Other airline employees can be just as rude. What does her company have to do with her rudeness to you?