United female 737 captain......

[414Flyer]

Well if she was going to be a biatch like that, I would have asked her to get back on her F-n midol, or maybe in the F-n galley where she belongs.

 

[atrdriver]

I probably would have shook my head and quoted an old Captain I used to fly with. "Another empty kitchen..."

 

[EMB170Pilot]

lol atr

or you could have said...Hey missy, Get back in the kitchen and make me some pie (from Eric Cartman)

 

[mamba20]

Just remember one thing. Its a cockpit not a box office!

 

[FN FAL]

A female United captain p%%%$^ me off so bad the other day in Hartford,CT......

The flight attendant and I was on the shuttle to the airport. A United 737 cockpit crew was sitting in the back of the van. I asked the FO where they were going and he responded Chicago. A few seconds later the female captain (in her 40's) asked if I was flying an FRJ........I had no idea what she was talking about and asked if she could clarify a bit. Are you flying a **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ING RJ.......??

I was shocked by her comment........and this came from a female United captain who probably went from a C-172 to United in the early 90's.

Managed to get her name, employee number and base.

That information could come in handy some day when she kicks your ass out in the parking lot.

 

[SuperFLUF]

That 73 is a nice airplane. Too bad its got a crack in the seat.

 

[skyaddict]

"Part of the problem is when you get to 'the majors' or fly the 'big jets', all of a sudden/ or over many years, you get the 'my sh#t don't stink attitude' and you totally forget what it was like at the regionals. (or whatever you want to call them these days)"

Plus, she was probably just taking out her frustration at being a 737 puke looked down on by the 777 drivers yada yada, it never ends. 5000 hours later I have discovered that there's still a lot of pen*s envy in this industry at every level; for the rest of us, there's love of flying (maybe not love of this industry, which largely does suck, but love of flying.~)

Have any of you ever waltzed into an old flight school or FBO where you worked years ago? As a regional dog, now getting furloughed, it's hilarious because I am suddenly put on a pedestal like a God. I remind them that if I am a God, how come some mainline FA's consider me or any other feeder pilot to be scum of the earth. The moral is no matter where we are, there'll always be somebody who considers us scum.

"That 73 is a nice airplane. Too bad its got a crack in the seat."

Yeah but at least if you split your pants at work, the cockpit has a nice sewing machine in the center pedestal.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

We need to be at least a LITTLE understanding of something. Up until just a few years ago there were a different kind of "regional jets" flying around the country.

"regional jets" like the DC9, Fokker 28, Fokker 100, Bac 1-11, BAe146...

Suddenly -- and it happened very fast in career terms -- a new breed of aircraft appeared on the scene. It doesn't really matter whose fault it was. Who dropped the ball... ALPA, Delta... it doesnt matter.

Now, all of the sudden, there were CRJs and ERJs and E170s, and FRJs. And in the same period of time those 65 seat DC9-10s and 65 seat Bac 1-11s and F28s, and 85 seat Fokker 100s.... well they all disappeared. And with them quite a few jobs.

The flying didnt go away. It was transferred to a lower bidder. Now you know and I know that those decisions are made by management. Not by line pilots. But its still a tough pill to swallow.

I'm not saying that excuses her behavior. It doesn't. But a little empathy from the so-called "regional" pilots wouldn't hurt matters.

After all. The RJ revolution didn't just hurt the career expectations of the DC9 pilots... it also hurt the career expectation of those RJ pilots who expected to go to the majors one day.

The more 50 and 70 and (god forbid) 90 and 110 seat "regional jets" appear, the fewer and fewer major airline positions will be available for furlough recall and hiring.

Management has duped us. They created a "b-scale career" right under our noses and that should be something that we can ALL agree on.

So the next time somebody says that in the crew van... maybe the proper response is just to laugh. Because, in more ways than one, she's right.... FRJs.

 

[dalegribble]

Why do you even give a sh*t about someones opinion who you don't even know.. SZhe cursed in front of you so curse back at her and it's done.. Or say some sh*t like ": I feel sorry for your husband"...

"Husband" or "Domestic Partner"

 

[skyaddict]

Good point, T-Gates. Ditto for instructing. The lions share of regional pilots nowadays came from pilot factories where their instructors, as well as their own time-building instructor time, was paid at slave wages, depressing what could be otherwise be a lucrative profession. I chose to instruct for $40 an hour flight and ground. So the high school blame game does exist at every level, and at some point we have all helped the race to the bottom, simply by virtue of trying to stay employed or get a leg-up to the next job in this brutal market.

 

[Captain Overs]

I agree with an above post. What does it matter if she is a female? Last I knew United could hire anyone they wanted. If more woman tended to be hired there so what? I guess you weren't an intern?

 

[flyn_ace_99]

Although I don't condone this captains' comment, I find that there is a reason that female pilots become bitter and rude... and I don't have to look further than this forum!

Comments such as:

"She probably hasn't had any for months."-vclean
"Should have told her how good she looks in a man's uniform..."-TIGV
" get back ... in the F-n galley where she belongs.:-414Flyer.
"Another empty kitchen..."-atrdriver

Female pilot's have been fighting comments like these since flight began. I find it appauling that this attitude is still kept alive in the aviation industry. For those few who are still in this neanderthal-like attitude... it time to crawl out of your cave, stand up straight and act like decent human beings.

For the many who have banished that negative attitude and greeted their fellow pilots with open arms, regardless of gender... I say THANK YOU. Thank you for helping us to enjoy the wonderful life of aviation. Thank you for not giving us a reason to be defensive and to not making us feel that we have to be anymore competitive because of our gender. It has been and always will be a pleasure to work with you!

Happy and Safe Flying out there Folks!

 

[slowto250]

When faced with an "attitude" by some of the pissy F/A types at my now defunct and very chauvenistic carrier, alot of us would respond with............."well then.....I guess a BJ would be out of the question". Would have worked with a female cpt. as well I suppose, but we didn't HAVE any.

Your UA left seat might not have appreciated it, but I'll bet the rest of her crew would have.

 

[414Flyer]

Hey, I have been quoted. Woohoo!

I have seen plenty of threads on here about male pilots who are rude or are A$ses to someone. If she is going to be a biatch, she gets the same consideration and the same ridiculing. Just because its a SHE, doesnt mean she gets to escape derision and antipathy.

 

[rtmcfi]

"I find it appauling that this attitude is still kept alive in the aviation industry. For those few who are still in this neanderthal-like attitude... it time to crawl out of your cave, stand up straight and act like decent human beings."

Alright, now that you got that out of your system, how about you go make me a sandwich, and grab me a cold one!

 

[slowto250]

Hey, I have been quoted. Woohoo!

I have seen plenty of threads on here about male pilots who are rude or are A$ses to someone. If she is going to be a biatch, she gets the same consideration and the same ridiculing. Just because its a SHE, doesnt mean she gets to escape derision and antipathy.

Ya got that right. After all, isn't this what equality is all about ?!?

 

[flyn_ace_99]

I agree, she was in the wrong to act so hienously... however, there are more tactful ways of displaying disapproval in someone's actions than those which I have seen here.

 

[slowto250]

"I find it appauling that this attitude is still kept alive in the aviation industry. For those few who are still in this neanderthal-like attitude... it time to crawl out of your cave, stand up straight and act like decent human beings."

Alright, now that you got that out of your system, how about you go make me a sandwich, and grab me a cold one!

Heheheh......another brother from one of our local chapters of "NO MA'AM".

 

[blzr]

You should have told her//" yeah, I do, and here's my # when you need to borrow the manuals"

 

[embdrvr]

You could have asked her how long UAL would have stayed in business if they didn't have any RJ lift.

 

[dalegribble]

Although I don't condone this captains' comment, I find that there is a reason that female pilots become bitter and rude... and I don't have to look further than this forum!

Comments such as:

"She probably hasn't had any for months."-vclean
"Should have told her how good she looks in a man's uniform..."-TIGV
" get back ... in the F-n galley where she belongs.:-414Flyer.
"Another empty kitchen..."-atrdriver

Female pilot's have been fighting comments like these since flight began. I find it appauling that this attitude is still kept alive in the aviation industry. For those few who are still in this neanderthal-like attitude... it time to crawl out of your cave, stand up straight and act like decent human beings.

For the many who have banished that negative attitude and greeted their fellow pilots with open arms, regardless of gender... I say THANK YOU. Thank you for helping us to enjoy the wonderful life of aviation. Thank you for not giving us a reason to be defensive and to not making us feel that we have to be anymore competitive because of our gender. It has been and always will be a pleasure to work with you!

Happy and Safe Flying out there Folks!

Look, there are a number of gals I know I would rather fly with than some guys I know but the bottom line is act like a b---h and get bi--h slapped here. Any pilot who acts like an ass puts this whole industry down and makes a bad name. IE a crotchety old guy adds to the crochety old captain stereotype and does a b--chy gal.

 

[Lear70]

Look, there are a number of gals I know I would rather fly with than some guys I know but the bottom line is act like a b---h and get bi--h slapped here. Any pilot who acts like an ass puts this whole industry down and makes a bad name. IE a crotchety old guy adds to the crochety old captain stereotype and does a b--chy gal.

D*mn straight. You want equality? You got it. I, for one, would like to see the EEOC disappear and let people compete on the merits of their education, experience, and performance on the interview. Anyone can be an *ss.

Case-In-Point: over Christmas Pinnacle had a "meltdown" because of a snow storm and related walk-out by Mesaba ground personnel (they handle us) in MSP followed by an ice storm in MEM. We couldn't operate shinola because all the airplanes were out of position, crews timed out, and the Ops Center couldn't handle the phone calls and reroutes.

Northwest employees were told that Pinnacle crews "refused to come to work"; I've had more than one pilot or F/A ASK me about it (which is the correct course of action - seek confirmation before bashing), whereas I told them exactly what happened and how, including the hundreds of flight crews milling around operations because we couldn't get flight releases to operate what COULD go out.

I was jumpseating home last week and, when politely requesting the jumpseat, this PR*CK of an Airbus Captain responded, "Oh, you're Pinnacle. Maybe you can have it. What were you doing on Christmas?" I chuckled and said I was working (I was - took 14 hours to commute in for an illegal (high-speed)). He said, "I'm not kidding, do you have your logbook?"

I told him, "No, but I can call your Chief Pilot and let him know the issue and give him the number to our SOC so he can verify I was flying MSP-HLN that night." He signed the jumpseat form so angrily he TORE the signature line with his pen, then tossed it at me. I got his name from the gate agent but I'm not calling anyone; I'll simply make sure he gets treated similarly if I ever see his name on the wait list or a jumpseat form of an aircraft I'm flying.

Point is, there are tools everywhere, and you're going to get the same sh*t from me, regardless of your SEX!

 

[typhoonpilot]

We need to be at least a LITTLE understanding of something. Up until just a few years ago there were a different kind of "regional jets" flying around the country.

"regional jets" like the DC9, Fokker 28, Fokker 100, Bac 1-11, BAe146...

Suddenly -- and it happened very fast in career terms -- a new breed of aircraft appeared on the scene. It doesn't really matter whose fault it was. Who dropped the ball... ALPA, Delta... it doesnt matter.

Now, all of the sudden, there were CRJs and ERJs and E170s, and FRJs. And in the same period of time those 65 seat DC9-10s and 65 seat Bac 1-11s and F28s, and 85 seat Fokker 100s.... well they all disappeared. And with them quite a few jobs.

The flying didnt go away. It was transferred to a lower bidder. Now you know and I know that those decisions are made by management. Not by line pilots. But its still a tough pill to swallow.

I'm not saying that excuses her behavior. It doesn't. But a little empathy from the so-called "regional" pilots wouldn't hurt matters.

After all. The RJ revolution didn't just hurt the career expectations of the DC9 pilots... it also hurt the career expectation of those RJ pilots who expected to go to the majors one day.

The more 50 and 70 and (god forbid) 90 and 110 seat "regional jets" appear, the fewer and fewer major airline positions will be available for furlough recall and hiring.

Management has duped us. They created a "b-scale career" right under our noses and that should be something that we can ALL agree on.

So the next time somebody says that in the crew van... maybe the proper response is just to laugh. Because, in more ways than one, she's right.... FRJs.

We have a winner. That is exactly correct FurloughedAgain. Funny how the intelligent posts always go unnoticed.


TP

 

[Flechas]

We have a winner. That is exactly correct FurloughedAgain. Funny how the intelligent posts always go unnoticed.


TP

No we don't have a winner, it's just economics, the airlines try to do what the market demands. So a few years ago the best thing to do for the airlines to stay alive, or at least try, was to get into the 50 seater market, they did. Seems like the best right now would be to have a bunch of 70-90 seaters flying around, who's goint to fly them? If the regionals fly them the mainline carriers will lose jobs, if mainline flies them, they have to do it for less. Regardless what it is it is another can of worms.

 

[pianoman]

The major airline pilot groups didn't see it coming, let's face it. If they had, they would have taken care of the junior folks and those to come and insisted that all jet flying be done by pilots on their seniority list, even if it meant knocking $5/hr off the 12 yr. 747 Captain rate.

This would have helped everyone equally. Oh well, hindsight is 20/20.

 

[sleepy]

What, and female captains have the hold on being jerks?

Male captains can be just as rude. What does her sex have to do with her rudeness to you?

It was probably just PMS.

 

[atlcrjdriver]

I was not there and don't know what the her tone was, but did you ever stop to think that the Fairchild 328JET regional is also known as the FRJ. Just food for thought...

 

[Simon Says]

Hey Dodge,

Your Avatar is in gate 41B in EWR. How is that for picture recognition.

 

[typhoonpilot]

No we don't have a winner, it's just economics, the airlines try to do what the market demands. So a few years ago the best thing to do for the airlines to stay alive, or at least try, was to get into the 50 seater market, they did. Seems like the best right now would be to have a bunch of 70-90 seaters flying around, who's goint to fly them? If the regionals fly them the mainline carriers will lose jobs, if mainline flies them, they have to do it for less. Regardless what it is it is another can of worms.

Yes ,we still have a winner and it's not you. The big problem was in trying to operate small jets more frequently on any given city pair. While it sounded like a good idea at the time it just doesn't make sense economically for airlines to do that on most routes ( Just look at Flyi ). While it might not have been what the travelling public would like, airlines should have operated bigger airplanes less frequently or kept the turborprops ( with their better seat mile costs ) and operated those with greater frequency.

Airlines got greedy and some smarty pants MBA decided they could use the RJ to raid the other major airline's cachement areas. So now you have way too many RJs flying way too far to fight over a fixed number of passengers in a small city that can't support that many airlines. When the dot com boom was going and air fares were high the stupidity of this system was overlooked and eventually all the majors joined the band wagon. Obviously the first ones to start raiding a particular market had an advantage, but eventually they all started doing the same thing. The losers had to pull their DC-9s, MD-80s, 737s, etc from those cities. It now appears that all majors were the losers and the actual winners were the LCCs who take advantage of the fact that people want to ride on a decent size airplane that can actually accept carry-on luggage. The RJ operators also win because they are subsidized in the form of fee for departure for their services.

You falsely believe that the RJ operators are going to be okay. Nothing could be further from the truth. They are only doing okay because the majors they support are dying. As the majors are dying they transfer more and more of their routes to the RJ operator. The RJ operators keep buying more and more jets giving you the false impression that they are growing, when in fact the total airline ( RJ operator plus major ) is shrinking. The RJ pilots like this as they progress up the ladder, but the number of legacy jobs is shrinking at a faster rate.

Now here is the kicker, when the major can no longer transfer any more routes to their RJ operator the LCCs will start taking market share away from the RJ operators and the decline of the RJ operators will start. The other scenario is where the LCCs start operating international and the RJ operators have progressively fewer pasengers to feed to their, now international only, legacy carrier. Either way, the days of the regional opertors growth is numbered and then they will die the same death as their partners when it becomes apparent that the high seat mile costs of an RJ can't compete with the LCCs.

The funny thing is that then we are back to 737s and larger aircraft serving the cities that all the majors pulled those types out of a few years ago. Actually it is kind of sad because this whole process will have destroyed quite few careers.


Typhoonpilot

 

[Flyin Tony]

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