Unionize NJI

[RustyFan]

double post

 

[Diesel]

Hey rusty did you delete the original post?

I've got a bet going with RTRHD. He's going to owe me a steak at grill 23.

Besides I was waiting for the union will take over the world post from NJW.

 

[RTRHD]

Or a Beer at Outback........

 

[netjetwife]

Please be accurate about my beliefs. I am for professional compensation packages for professional pilots. I support whatever works within each group to raise the bar and obtain the contract they deserve.

 

[Guitar rocker]

Or a Beer at Outback........

How about just a colt 45 at Mr. C's?

 

[RTRHD]

The bet is that the brotherhood won’t even file the single carrier lawsuit. If I lose I will have to pay off in HPN. Because we hardly get to stay in Secaucus, we have to stay at the Hanoi Hilton. LOL Thats what I bet Diesel......."O" yea Unions Suck. I almost forgot. I gotta counter NJW.

 

[Diesel]

Common you're a GV guy. You can pony up more than a beer at outback.

Lets do it right. Dinner within the fine area of HPN.

Basically outback or PF Changs.

Don't let a X guy have to show you up.

 

[RTRHD]

Agreed

 

[glasspilot]

Hey NJW. You always start with, "I'm for whatever works..." and end with, "...to get a contract..."

That, to me, says that you only support unions since if you don't have a union then you don't have a contract. Maybe that's why folks think you're on a crusade.

What if a pilot group worked at a non-union frac and made $20,000 a month in the right seat and $80,000 a month in the left seat with free medical, 20 days off a month and full pension. Would you be for those professional pilots or would you still insist they get a contract? Seriously, I'm curious.

 

[netjetwife]

Can an in-house pilot group not bargain for the pilots? Could a strong advisory committee not persuade management to sign a contract with the pilots? I thought that was what those groups were trying to accomplish at Flex and Avantair? An agreement signed by both parties is generally called a contract. If a PAC or a CAB can get the company to sign an agreement they deserve credit for doing so. I recognize that strong leaders backed by the majority of their pilots can make a difference. I know there are groups trying and I wish them success.

Glass, it seems to me that their wages and work rules are much more secure when the company is willing to put it all in writing and sign their name to it. That represents a commitment to their pilots whose skills and experience are helping to build the business. The only reason not to sign it is so that they can change things at anytime. What other reason would there be? Seriously, I can't think of one. Regards, NJW

 

[glasspilot]

At avantair a contract is outside the scope of the advisory committee.

The question remains though. Does a pilot group HAVE to have a contract to be supported by you? Take the hypothetical $20K in the right seat and $80K in the left seat per month. Absurd money by anything less than NFL standards. Do they get the NJW seal of approval? ...or do they need your blessed contract and therefore a union?

 

[netjetwife]

Isn't it possible to have a contract without a union? What is there not to like about pilots standing up together for their rights to professional compensation and fair work rules? I'm sorry to hear that the PAC can't come to a written agreement between management and the pilots. I don't understand your animosity, Glass. I wish the pilots of Avantair well.

The great salary in the hypothetical situation you pose could disappear overnight if management so chose. Many wouldn't feel secure with that type of an arrangement. I know that CS pilots are satisfied with their salary and I think that helps to establish industry standard wages. For their sakes, I'd like to see their company put it in writing. I support equal pay for equal skills/job duties and I think pilot wages should be a cost of doing business.

 

[CE750Driver]

At avantair a contract is outside the scope of the advisory committee.

The question remains though. Does a pilot group HAVE to have a contract to be supported by you? Take the hypothetical $20K in the right seat and $80K in the left seat per month. Absurd money by anything less than NFL standards. Do they get the NJW seal of approval? ...or do they need your blessed contract and therefore a union?

Great post. Very hypothetical though. The people with the most money have the contract. There is not a case of the opposite. Please, look at what NJAs class 4 pay is, compared to what an NJI pilot with the same amount of time at the company would be making. Sad most don't notice.

So, at a fractional company, in closing, show me one non-union pilot, with the same amount of time at a non union company, who is making more than a union pilot in a union company. We will then comare W2's, and see who would win.

Basically, if your situation ever happened. Im sure NJW would give that company her seal of approval. Maybe. But obviously, non union workers in fractionals dont make more.

 

[RTRHD]

Great post. Very hypothetical though. The people with the most money have the contract. There is not a case of the opposite. Please, look at what NJAs class 4 pay is, compared to what an NJI pilot with the same amount of time at the company would be making. Sad most don't notice.

So, at a fractional company, in closing, show me one non-union pilot, with the same amount of time at a non union company, who is making more than a union pilot in a union company. We will then comare W2's, and see who would win.

Basically, if your situation ever happened. Im sure NJW would give that company her seal of approval. Maybe. But obviously, non union workers in fractionals dont make more.

How many class 4 aircraft does NJA have? I thought the only ones were the Falcon 2000 EZ.

 

[old*art]

How many class 1's were there in 1996 ? I think the point was the comparison. Times change.

 

[Mountain Troll]

Union Rules

A dedicated Teamsters union worker was attending a convention in Las Vegas and decided to check out the local brothels. When he got to the first one, he asked the Madam, "Is this a union house?"

"No," she replied, "I'm sorry it isn't."

"Well, if I pay you $100, what cut do the girls get?"

"The house gets $80 and the girls get $20," she answered

Offended at such unfair dealings, the union man stomped off down the street in search of a more equitable, hopefully unionized shop. His search continued until finally he reached a brothel where the Madam responded, "Why yes sir, this is a union house. We observe all union rules."

The man asked, "And if I pay you $100, what cut do the girls get?" "The girls get $80 and the house gets $20."

"That's more like it!" the union man said.

He handed the Madam $100, looked around the room, and pointed to a stunningly attractive blonde.

"I'd like her," he said.

"I'm sure you would, sir," said the Madam. Then she gestured to a 92-year old woman in the corner, "but Ethel here has 67 years seniority and according to union rules, she's next."

 

[Guitar Guy]

A non-union worker also wanted to attend that same convention in Las Vegas. But at the last minute, his employer changed the rules and took away his vacation in order to improve the company's profit margin.

 

[RTRHD]

"but Ethel here has 67 years seniority and according to union rules, she's next."

Sixty seven years seniorty I get it........I bet she fly's the BBJ. LOL:laugh:

 

[Diesel]

67 years? No she's still in the ultra.

 

[xpdriver]

The bet is that the brotherhood won’t even file the single carrier lawsuit. If I lose I will have to pay off in HPN. Because we hardly get to stay in Secaucus, we have to stay at the Hanoi Hilton. LOL Thats what I bet Diesel......."O" yea Unions Suck. I almost forgot. I gotta counter NJW.[/quote


I wouldn't bet the farm on that!