Understanding what I can or cannot fly

[kalel]

I hope I can word this right...

If I am rated and checked out to fly a C-172 and have my high performance and complex endorsement. Can I legally fly my friends C-182 as PIC and log that time or do I need to have a checkout in all variations of aircraft before I can be PIC?

Just looking for a little clarification. Thanks for the help!

 

[Rick1128]

HP

All you need is the high performance endorsement. By regulation you do not need any further checkout. However, insurance requirements MAY require some sort of checkout.

 

[bobbysamd]

Go fly it!

I hope I can word this right...

If I am rated and checked out to fly a C-172 and have my high performance and complex endorsement. Can I legally fly my friends C-182 as PIC and log that time or do I need to have a checkout in all variations of aircraft before I can be PIC?

As far as the FAA is concerned, sure. The owner/operator of the airplane(s) in question may have different thoughts about whether you need a checkout(s), as any renter from an FBO will attest.

 

[midlifeflyer]

If I am rated and checked out to fly a C-172 and have my high performance and complex endorsement. Can I legally fly my friends C-182 as PIC and log that time or do I need to have a checkout in all variations of aircraft before I can be PIC?

As the other pointed out there may be more questions under the surface.

From an FAA standpoint, based on what you have, you can legally go fly a brand new Piper Malibu. or =any= other single engine airplane that isn't (a) a jet (b) a tailwheel (c) a high-altitude airplane or (c) one that requires a type rating.

So the technical answer to your question is "Yes". But there are consequences that go beyond whether it's "legal."

You won't find anything in the FAR about make and model checkouts. As you probably realize since you obviously have some experience, flying an airplane is not quite like driving a car. Systems and procedures can be very different from make to make and model to model. Insurance companies know this and try to protect themselves. Most places will not rent anything to you without a checkout for this reasons, no matter how many hours you have.

How does this affect your friend's airplane? Well, there's something in his insurance policy in which he promises the insurance company that he won't let anyone act as PIC in his airplane unless they meet some minimum requirements. It will likely be a combination of total hours and hours in the make and model. If you don't meet the requirements, are you and your friend breaking some law? Nope. But if you get into an accident with your friend's airplane, your friend's insurance company won't pay anything.

 

[kalel]

Thanks for all the good information. I will be checking with my friend about using his plane and verify with the insurance company that he will be covered as well as take on pre-reqs they have for other PIC's of his plane. I in any case, I will probably get some dual time in with an instructor who is experienced in this make and model.

 

[midlifeflyer]

Thanks for all the good information. I will be checking with my friend about using his plane and verify with the insurance company that he will be covered as well as take on pre-reqs they have for other PIC's of his plane. I in any case, I will probably get some dual time in with an instructor who is experienced in this make and model.

BTW, Kal, one more thing about the insurance. Even if you meet the requirements and you friend is covered, you are not.

 

[Propnose]

High Performance Question

I have been told, but could not find in the regs where it stated this: I have my multi-comm-instrument ratings and about 25hrs of high performance time. All of this time has been as a Commercial pilot , and when I asked about getting a H.P endorsement, I was told that I don't need it since I am a commercial pilot. In addition, I am getting ready to start a 135 job flying Six's and Lances and I want to make sure I am legal w/o the endorsement. Anybody care to confirm this is correct or incorrect?

Thanks

 

[OtterFO]

I can't site the reg, but the POI from an old company told me that because I had an 8410 for a BE-200 I do not require a High Altitude endorsement. Also my first solo was in an airplane with more than 200HP so I never recieved an H.P/Complex endorsement. This was before the rule change that seperated H.P. and complex.

So, propnose, to answer your question, a 135 checkride (form 8410) should substitute for a H.P. endorsement.

 

[midlifeflyer]

Re: High Performance Question

I have been told, but could not find in the regs where it stated this: I have my multi-comm-instrument ratings and about 25hrs of high performance time. All of this time has been as a Commercial pilot , and when I asked about getting a H.P endorsement, I was told that I don't need it since I am a commercial pilot. In addition, I am getting ready to start a 135 job flying Six's and Lances and I want to make sure I am legal w/o the endorsement. Anybody care to confirm this is correct or incorrect?

Having the Commercial certificate has nothing to do with having the high performance airplanes. The endorsement is required even if you are an ATP.

The question is, when did you build your 25 hours of HP time?

Before the 1997 Part 61 rewrite, there was only one endorsement that covered both complex and high performance airplanes, and if you logged HP time before the 8/4/97, you are "grand fathered" in and don't need to get the endorsement now.

See 61.31(f) and especially (f)(2)

 

[A Squared]

From an FAA standpoint, based on what you have, you can legally go fly a brand new Piper Malibu. or =any= other single engine airplane that isn't (a) a jet (b) a tailwheel (c) a high-altitude airplane or (c) one that requires a type rating.

or d) a seaplane.