UND & ERAU Rental Rates - Spring 2006

[shortbus driver]

There is more than one place to go for training

I went to WMU. Its a public school and has a great aviation program. I went there because I worked for a corporate company which hired a lot of WMU grads. There are several companies that look at degrees from the big aviation college very highly. It shows something to be dedicated enough to to get an aviation degree. It so specific you really better be motivated. On the flip side I did fly all beautiful planes while at the college, yet on the side I flew cheaper aircraft to get my private and build some real life experience. These aircraft did not have GPS, autopilot or even an hsi. The training of these devices are very nice and can help out tremendously, yet it is very good training to learn without them. I paid for my college and yes I am in debt, but yes I did get a job flying a tranport category aircraft starting with only 300 hours. It can be debated that since I missed out on instructing I have not paid my dues. The way I feel is to never look a gift horse in the mouth. The whole getting married and using them to help support you...classy. I am 23 and I don't feel like losing half my stuff, why don't I wait until I pay my dues to the aviation gods and get a real job that is better suited to a family life. I often feel jeleous that people used their fathers or uncles to get jobs, but I realize that that is a very big part of getting ahead. Its a great show of personality and personal skill if someone is willing to risk their reputation to get someone else a job. Someone has done that for me and I hope I will have the good judgement to do the same. My experience in aviation has been trying, but its the only thing that I really want to wake up and do everyday. When I figure out something better I may go to do that.

 

[gnx99]

$89 / hour for a newer Warrior isn't that bad nowadays. It's the insurance companies that make it expensive.

 

[Northern Lights]

Last time I rented a plane from an FBO, it was $95/hour for an archer, and that was in 1999.

 

[mcjohn]

Everyone seems to be training in these 172SP's at Cessna Pilot Centers. What rates have you folks seen for the post 2000 172SP models.
Ours - $114 wet plus a $6/hour fuel surcharge. So $120.
An old Arrow - $149 wet
An old Seminole - $179 wet

 

[banned username 2]

Everyone seems to be training in these 172SP's at Cessna Pilot Centers. What rates have you folks seen for the post 2000 172SP models.
Ours - $114 wet plus a $6/hour fuel surcharge. So $120.

At the local FBO here C-172SP is $99/hr wet PLUS something like $14/hr fuel surcharge (which is BS)...

 

[mcjohn]

$14/hr fuel surcharge (which is BS)...

Yeah that ain't right. Bad business decision. The plane needs to be $109/hr with a $4 fuel surcharge or the clients will feel ripped off.

Our 172SPs are becoming constant Mx headaches and they are post 2000 models. All 3 of them.

 

[mrnolmts]

...to send my kid to the school of there choosing. Education is important to me...

Eh... it is? Shouldn't it be "their choosing", then?
On a serious note, I must say that overall, I've been very impressed with the quality of our UND guys. Their flying skills are well above average, given their experience level (with the obvious exception of a couple of "bad apples"). However, along with that, I've run into some huge egos as well. Some of the guys seem to think they're God's gift to aviation, and it clearly shows in their attitudes. A little modesty doesn't hurt, especially when you're the new guy. There is something to be said for experience.
On a related note: What really ticks me off, is when the Flight School charges $50/hr for an instructor, then pay the poor guy/gal a measly $10/hr... What a ripoff!!
:beer:

 

[jdlilfan]

Here are the Rental Rates for UND (2006)

Aircraft:

Piper Warrior.................$89.00/hr
Piper Warrior (Glass).......$94.00/hr
Piper Arrow...................$120.00/hr
Piper Seminole...............$201.00/hr
Cirrus SR-20..................$130.00/hr
Beech Baron BE-58.........$312.00/hr
Decathalon...................$112.00/hr

Simulators:

Frasca - Warrior..............$63.00/hr
Frasca - Seminole............$89.00/hr
CRJ Simulator..................$210.00/hr

Instructor Rates:

Fixed Wing......................$39.00/hr
CRJ Instructor.................$47.00/hr

Thats pretty good!

here at IND state its a little higher for students

Aircraft:
Cessna 152.................$85 ( i think? I hardly fly them)
Cessna 172R...............$102 ( year 2000)
Piper Arrow.................$125 (old)
Super Decathalon.........$125 (04)
Seminole.....................$215 ( not totally sure on that either)
Cirrus SR22G2..............$180 (05)

The cirrus is on lease back so no one really flys it. I think its there mostly to attract students. The mins to rent it are 500TT.

Instructor:
$20/hr

Our sims our included within tuition but with only 2 frascas and 300 students its near impossible to get a sim slot. Priority is given to instrument students with 2 slots a week and privates get 1 slot. Commercial students get the last minute and cancelation slots. Our sims only go monday thru friday 7am to 10pm. A lot of the time the room sits empty though because of a lack of instructors/ budget for more time slots especially midday with classes in session.

I really wish the sims would work on weekends or sometimes late night/ early morning slots. Because every student pays a set simulator fee within tuition if you dont use it, you dont get refunded the fee. I would rather go to a $25 hr fee personally.

 

[Alex429595]

Alex,

FYI - the Warriors that rent at my local FBO go for $59.00/hr. They have a MOONEY that rents for $89.00/hr.

Being a Chief Pilot, if I had to choose between a UND grad the flew around in his fancy late-model Warrior with GNS 430s supported by his wealthy parents, or someone who flew a 1970 Warrior with all analog gauges who took out loans to earn a business degree on the side.........the pick would be an easy one - the lad who labored the hardest.

GET A CLUE - ALEX. Someday you'll have a Rude Awakening and it's called "The Real World". (Outside of parent-supported UND life).

You're just full of misconceptions.

1.) Nationwide, or at least where I am from (East Coast), 89 for a new warrior is very reasonable.

2.) Most of the pilots that I know here are earning their ratings through loans and their own hard work, not by their parents.

3.) As far as labor goes, UND, and I would think most collegiate aviation programs, require VERY hard work out of their students. We train to extremely high standards, and work very hard for the ratings we earn. It is not "easy" by any measure. I got my private at a local part 61 school in the northeast, and I can honestly say that flying at UND is a lot more intense than flying at the FBO.

4.) Do not extend my previous comments to get the idea that I think UND grads are better sticks than FBO pilots. They aren't. If I had to hire someone, I would not assume that a UND grad could fly better than an FBO grad. It is up to the individual to determine how much he will put in, and consequently how much he will get out.

 

[Alex429595]

Alex and DC8 Flyer proove my point. This is exactly what is wrong with this industry. Filled with spoiled brats who want everything handed to them on a silver platter.

Have fun paying your 48K college loans while earning 20K at your dream CFI or Regional Monkey Job. You'll get far real fast!! ha ha ha

Exactly what in my previous comments, or in ANY of my posts on this site (go ahead, search them) leads to to believe that (I am reffering to the text with bold emphasis added)? I am not asking this rhetorically. You want to name call? Back it up.

 

[Corona]

Exactly what in my previous comments, or in ANY of my posts on this site (go ahead, search them) leads to to believe that (I am reffering to the text with bold emphasis added)? I am not asking this rhetorically. You want to name call? Back it up.

BizPilot has topped out as a chief pilot in the almighty Conquest. (Translation: He supervises a single-pilot flight department.) I'd be bitter too, but at least it's a cool plane in which to be stuck.

I did the Flying club thing and a little FBO flying mixed in for good measure to get my ratings (real cheap!), but I'm not holier-than-thou about it.

I probably should have used a structured program like Embry because I am extremely lazy, I have a smart mouth, and I have a really f-ing bad attitude.

C

 

[CDogg]

Alex and DC8 Flyer proove my point. This is exactly what is wrong with this industry. Filled with spoiled brats who want everything handed to them on a silver platter.

Have fun paying your 48K college loans while earning 20K at your dream CFI or Regional Monkey Job. You'll get far real fast!! ha ha ha

You need to get a life man... I recently graduated Riddle, took 5 years but working 2 jobs while attending will slow you down... not to mention all of the student loans that are out in my name and i'll be paying for the next gazillion years. I graduated, got my first job towing banners 2 days after graduating last May, and I am now in the left seat flying a 421 single pilot and in school for the Lear35 flying the right seat... Oh, and not to sound like i'm better than anyone, but some of the Commercial Multi pilots I met in Florida just days after graduating from Riddle in AZ probably knew less than a Private student from Riddle... I think the people that go to school there (well 90% of them) work hard to get somewhere within the field, and the other 10% are just there on daddy's dime cause they think they wanna be an airline pilot... atleast that was my experience.

 

[airforceusaf]

You need to get a life man... I recently graduated Riddle, took 5 years but working 2 jobs while attending will slow you down... not to mention all of the student loans that are out in my name and i'll be paying for the next gazillion years. I graduated, got my first job towing banners 2 days after graduating last May, and I am now in the left seat flying a 421 single pilot and in school for the Lear35 flying the right seat... Oh, and not to sound like i'm better than anyone, but some of the Commercial Multi pilots I met in Florida just days after graduating from Riddle in AZ probably knew less than a Private student from Riddle... I think the people that go to school there (well 90% of them) work hard to get somewhere within the field, and the other 10% are just there on daddy's dime cause they think they wanna be an airline pilot... atleast that was my experience.

Did you enjoy Riddle? Im going there in 2 months and im excited. Just wondering your personal thoughts.

 

[tk855]

Being a Chief Pilot, if I had to choose between a UND grad the flew around in his fancy late-model Warrior with GNS 430s supported by his wealthy parents, or someone who flew a 1970 Warrior with all analog gauges who took out loans to earn a business degree on the side.........the pick would be an easy one - the lad who labored the hardest.

I wouldn't worry about this wannabeBizPilot! I think the UND and ERAU grads aren't going to waste their time working for your POS outfit. They are going to go out and get the jobs that you wish you could get. :laugh:

 

[airforceusaf]

I wouldn't worry about this wannabeBizPilot! I think the UND and ERAU grads aren't going to waste their time working for your POS outfit. They are going to go out and get the jobs that you wish you could get. :laugh:

FINNALY a person who hasen't hated on ERAU. Diddn't think there was any left!