UAL's New Low-Cost Carrier

[FADECtoBLACK]

Kinda off the topic (although I have yet to see a consistent topic on this board ) ...but is anybody ready to place bets on the the name for United's new low-cost spin-off?

If Delta's got "Song," my money's on "Rhapsody" for UAL. There's a couple of tie-ins with that one (gotta love Gershwin).

Anyone have the CEO's digits... I wanna submit this one ASAP!

 

[rightrudder]

UAL's CEO Tilton made an anouncement a few days ago that they are not going to pursue this, since all three unions were so angry.

 

[flaps30]

yea right

CEO doesn't give two **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**s about the Union.

 

[Beechnut]

Wednesday February 5

Associated Press
United Airlines Plans Low-Cost Carrier
Wednesday February 5, 7:10 pm ET
By Dave Carpenter, AP Business Writer
United Airlines Plans Low-Cost Carrier, Regional Jets in Effort to Return to Profitability


CHICAGO (AP) -- United Airlines said Wednesday it plans to return to profitability through a combination of reducing costs, launching a low-cost carrier and using more regional jets.
In the most extensive comments yet on its new strategy in bankruptcy, United told its employees it needs its own discount carrier to become more competitive in the leisure travel market.

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It defended the plan to create a separate, low-cost airline -- which has been assailed by unions and questioned by industry experts since it was first disclosed in December -- saying it will entail a new business model that "has learned from the industry's past mistakes."

But unions remained cool to the plan and analysts said there were not enough details available yet to fairly assess it.

While disclosing few specifics about either the discount carrier or the overall strategy, United said its plan is centered on the strong network of routes and hubs that give it a "distinct revenue advantage" over its competitors.

"We simply generate more money with our network," executive vice president Doug Hacker said in a taped message on a company hot line. "What we don't have are cost advantage and the flexibility that allow us to respond to substantial changes in the market."

United, the world's No. 2 carrier, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection eight weeks ago and lost a worst-ever $3.2 billion in 2002. It has been scrambling to overhaul its financial strategy, slash labor costs by a targeted $2.4 billion a year, renegotiate aircraft leases and mortgages and restructure its fleet.

It said in a monthly operating report filed with the federal bankruptcy court in Chicago this week that it lost an average $7.2 million a day during its first 23 days in bankruptcy, from Dec. 9-31.

The company briefed union leaders on the developing strategy in a meeting Tuesday.

The pilots and flight attendants unions have criticized management for not presenting more specific data to justify the dramatic changes and concessions it is seeking; they pledged to fight the plan for a low-cost carrier. Another sore spot with pilots in particular is the planned reliance on more regional jets, which affects pay and seniority.

Pilots' union spokesman Dave Kelly said the union learned "absolutely nothing new" from the PowerPoint presentation the company gave Tuesday and hasn't changed its stance.

"We're not opposed to a low-cost carrier if it's structured under the United umbrella and uses current United employees. But we will not accept a low-cost carrier that means a separate employee group and hiring pilots and employees off the street as a separate company," he said.

The machinists' union declined comment. "Our comments are going to be restricted to the bargaining table," spokesman Joseph Tiberi said Wednesday.

The company told employees in the recorded message that it is discussing the structure, size and operational plans for a discount carrier with unions.

It said it wants to expand United Express and use more 70-seat aircraft because it's falling behind in the industry in the use of regional jets, which are significantly cheaper to operate. Only 23 percent of its fleet is in regional jets, compared with 54 percent for Delta Air Lines and 50 percent for Continental Airlines, it noted.

United executives have been negotiating with the unions since last month on the sharply reduced wages they are seeking in bankruptcy.

Its employees already have taken temporary pay cuts that give United until May 1 to secure long-term contract agreements. The pilots agreed to 29 percent wage reductions and flight attendants to 9 percent cuts; the bankruptcy court imposed 14 percent cutbacks on machinists, who include mechanics, ramp workers and customer contact workers.

Shares in United parent UAL Corp. jumped 19 cents to close at $1.10 on the New York Stock Exchange.

www.united.com

 

[generaltso]

UAL should start a new advertising campaign - United "Lowering"

Because this company won't be around for too much longer.

 

[Beechnut]

It's so nice to see someone take such delight in the troubles of others. May you be stuck in that single engine four banger for many years to come.

If UAL fails and they lay off their pilots, and the UAX regionals lay off their pilots, you WILL see it have a direct effect on your career.

S.

 

[MetroSheriff]

UAL should start a new advertising campaign - United "Lowering"

Because this company won't be around for too much longer.

You are an a$$.

'Nuff said.

 

[generaltso]

Hey guys - I hate to be the bearer of bad news. But maybe by facing it now it will not be as much of a shock when it actually happens. UAL can't survive at the rate it is burning through cash, even in its Chapter 11.

No one wants to see it happen, including me... thousands being laid off is never a good thing.

However, I think a UAL liquidation would be a good thing for the rest of the industry. There are just one too many carriers right now.

 

[citdrver]

I usually dont chime in however.........you know this from your vast experience?

According to your profile you dont seem to be from the airline world. These people responding have thier livleyhoods on the line. What is decided at UAL has a ripple effect that will directly affect many people on this board...including you! If UAL does go south (according to you esteemed prediction) you will not be able to find, beg borrow, buy, or steal a job for many years to come!

Dont be so quick of the tongue...........dont mean to sound like a jerk, but it is a cruel world just getting crueler by the day!

 

[Azul]

Generaltso:

You are a complete tool kit.