UAL Wage Survey

[urflyingme?!]

I am doing a report on UAL for a college class I am taking. I was wondering is anybody with a membership to Jet-jobs or a similiar site could find the pay scale.

Any help is appreciated!

 

[tenfore]

Try here.

http://www.airlinepilotpay.com/

Remember that flight crews can only fly about 1000 hours a year versus the 2000 or so hours that a 9 to 5 worker works. On top of hourly pay there is TAFB that might add a few thousand dollars to a pilot's gross pay - less union dues, commuting costs, etc...

 

[urflyingme?!]

thank you, ya im getting into that stuff right now, since it's an aviation school...

 

[TurboS7]

Right now they are working 92 flight hour lines minimum layovers and only have 11 days or less off per month. Fun, fun, fun, .........thanks ALPA.

 

[Bluto]

Right now they are working 92 flight hour lines minimum layovers and only have 11 days or less off per month. Fun, fun, fun, .........thanks ALPA.

Really? That seems awfully low. Is that true?

 

[Ted Striker]

Right now they are working 92 flight hour lines minimum layovers and only have 11 days or less off per month. Fun, fun, fun, .........thanks ALPA.

How about "thanks UAL management" for doing a sh!tty job running the joint. Also, I do believe that was voted in rank and file. Of course Turbo hates unions and is a scab, so I shouldn't be surprised he blames ALPA. If it weren't for ALPA I bet the cuts would be deeper.

 

[urflyingme?!]

Really? That seems awfully low. Is that true?

thats quite high for airline work actually...

On that topic, is the reason they're flyin so much due to increased # of flights and traffic without picking up furloughed pilots?

 

[Bluto]

Well, the two airlines I've flown for and the one my wife flew for (all large regional airlines) all had a minimum of 11 days off, and that was generally only on reserve. I don't doubt some UAL folks are getting only 11 off, but all of them? Really? I don't know of any airlines that have less than 10 guaranteed days off per month(maybe Mesa?) If you were referring to the flight time, obviously 94 hours is high since the legal max is 100 in a month.

 

[cale42]

I've got an airlinepilotpay.com question that maybe someone can answer for me. Are the years listed on the chart the number of years at the position or the number of the years at the company. Those charts all list very low pay for a first year captain... is that the rate that somebody that was an FO for three years and then upgrades to captain gets their first year, or the rate a person would get if they were hired directly as a captain?

 

[Nova]

Years at the company. I don't know if there have ever been 1st year captains at any major.

 

[cale42]

Thats kinda what I figured, just wanted to check. I thought it odd that they would even list a 1st year at the company captain on the pay scale.. but I guess they want to be sure they covered all the bases.. just in case.

 

[LXApilot]

Seat/Position Pay @ UAL

I am pretty sure that the payscale rates you are looking at pertain to
number of years in seat/position. That is why you have a lot of fairly senior
guys still flying as copilots on heavy equipment, even though they
could hold a CAP bid on the narrowbody, they just cant afford the pay cut
for 1st year Captain pay.

 

[Nova]

I am pretty sure that the payscale rates you are looking at pertain to
number of years in seat/position. That is why you have a lot of fairly senior
guys still flying as copilots on heavy equipment, even though they
could hold a CAP bid on the narrowbody, they just cant afford the pay cut
for 1st year Captain pay.

Not at any airline I've heard of.

 

[FL717]

I am pretty sure that the payscale rates you are looking at pertain to
number of years in seat/position. That is why you have a lot of fairly senior
guys still flying as copilots on heavy equipment, even though they
could hold a CAP bid on the narrowbody, they just cant afford the pay cut
for 1st year Captain pay.

I have never heard of an airline payscale based on years in the seat. Just about EVERY major or large national carrier pays by years of service, regardless of seat.

For example, at AirTran where I work, you are paid as year 1 FO the day you start new hire class. At your 1 year anniversary, you move to year 2 for pay purposes, even though you have been with the company exactly 1 year.

When you upgrade, you move to the Captain payscale, at the appropriate years of service (i.e. move from 3 year FO to 3 year Captain on the pay scale).

This is "standard" in the majority of the industry, though there may be a couple smaller carriers that do not.

 

[English]

I've got an airlinepilotpay.com question that maybe someone can answer for me. Are the years listed on the chart the number of years at the position or the number of the years at the company. Those charts all list very low pay for a first year captain... is that the rate that somebody that was an FO for three years and then upgrades to captain gets their first year, or the rate a person would get if they were hired directly as a captain?

The rates apply to your year at the company, not the year on equipment type. So, first year captain salary applies to those who upgrade in their first year in the company. If it is your first year as captain, but third year with the company, you'd be on year 3 payscales.

 

[Indypilot]

"I don't know if there have ever been 1st year captains at any major."


Theoritcally, at one point, there had to be.

 

[-9Capt]

They probably weren't a major at the time.

 

[potrack]

Yes, it is years at the company.

The reason some pilots stay as F/Os instead of upgrade is quality of life.

Some would rather be a senior F/O on a 777, get the schedule you want, get the vacation you want, get days off you want, fly to Paris, London, and Frankfurt.

They don't want to upgrade to a 737 Capt, be the lowest guy on "The Capt list",
sit reserve on call, be the lowest priority for vacations, schedules, days off, and fly around Boise, DesMoine, Chicago, and Wichita----Even if it is for more pay.

Some guys chase the pay, others chase quality of life, others chase---whatever they want.

 

[TurboS7]

All you airline want-a-bees have a thing or two to learn about ALPA.

 

[kelbill]

Those 92 hour lines can't last too long, being that the cap is 1000 hours/year, and at the 92/mo rate, you would hit 1104 in 12 months. 83/mo is the max that can be averaged. Remember that also when you read the Jet Blue wage bump over 70 or 75 hours in a month to time and a half. It is a good deal, no doubt, but don't think they can fly 100 hours in a month very often to cash in on 30 or 25 overtime hours.


PS - that wasn't a slam on Jet Blue. I think they are great, but realize pilots aren't the goodest at math.

 

[AAflyer]

There were 5 or 6 at AA back in the early to mid 80s that made captain in less than one year.

Back then AA had paper bids and a few new hire FEs on the 727 put in a bid for 727 captain. They got it, it upset a few people, and there was some wrangling with the union and management but my understanding was they all got it!

AA

 

[FL717]

Those 92 hour lines can't last too long, being that the cap is 1000 hours/year, and at the 92/mo rate, you would hit 1104 in 12 months. 83/mo is the max that can be averaged. Remember that also when you read the Jet Blue wage bump over 70 or 75 hours in a month to time and a half. It is a good deal, no doubt, but don't think they can fly 100 hours in a month very often to cash in on 30 or 25 overtime hours.

I have no idea how jetBlue calculates their overtime override..... whether it is 70 hours block or credit per month.

However, at airlines that have pay rigs 1000 hours flight time is a BLOCK time limitation, not credit.

For example here are my personal actual block (flight) and credit (pay) breakdowns for this year 2004:

Mon / Block / Credit
Jan / 55 / 86
Feb / 68 / 86
Mar / 44 / 78
Apr / 45 / 78
May / 71 / 98
June / 79 / 102

Total 362 hours Flight time / 528 hours of pay.

That is 166 hours of pay for not actually flying. That comes to an average of 724 hours of annual flying for a pay credit of 1056 hours.

If I try and fly more than the average that I have, then I can easily pass 1200 hours of pay inside of 1000 hours block limit.

As a final note, since this is a "survey" thread.... if it were not for the soft pay that I get at AirTran, I would really be unhappy right now, because quite frankly we all deserve more than we make, but I cannot argue that I do get paid for alot of "sit" time, its just that my hourly rate is poor.

As a B-717 Captain I make $112.27 per credit hour, and that is the same as a DC-9 First Officer at NWA at the same years of service. I can live comfortably on the nearly $120,000 that I will earn this year, but we as pilots in this profession deserve better than we are given. And don't even start on the pay at the "Regionals".... their pay is absolutely criminal

General Lee.... I hear you loud and clear and please keep that bar as high as you can. We all need some balance in this industry and I think Delta and NWA are the last hope.

 

[urflyingme?!]

Thanks for all the input guys.
I've already hear most of this stuff before, since I'm getting ready to go online at a *gasp* regional. I just couldn't find a good website...

Once again thanks for answering yet another stupid question from an overzealous baby pilot...

 

[MW44]

TurboS7All you airline want-a-bees have a thing or two to learn about ALPA.

They should probably also learn a thing or two about scabs...