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United suing 200 creditors



Airline seeks to get back payments made before bankruptcy

By David Kesmodel, Rocky Mountain News
December 8, 2004 In late 2002, a small Chicago firm specializing in government affairs worked hastily to help United Airlines win U.S. approval for a key marketing agreement with US Airways.

The firm, Midwest Public Affairs Group, received payments from United totaling $68,500 over three months. United and US Airways eventually launched a pact worth more than $200 million annually to United that lets the carriers book customers on each other's flights.

On Monday, United slapped Midwest with a lawsuit, saying it wants the money back.

"Dismayed is putting it mildly," Fioretti said of the company's reaction to the suit.

The firm is among more than 150 that United, Denver's biggest carrier, has sued in the past few weeks. Another is Boulder-based Ball Aerospace, which declined comment.

Known as preference actions, the suits seek to recoup payments the airline made in the 90 days before its Dec. 9, 2002, bankruptcy filing. The suits are being filed in a flurry because on Thursday UAL Corp.'s United faces the end of a two-year statute of limitations on claims.

Preference actions - increasing in frequency amid a rise in mega- bankruptcies - are designed to make sure no creditor gets special treatment over another from a business in bankruptcy protection.

The actions have infuriated some creditors, and critics warn they're initiated too often. One creditor trade group has proposed bankruptcy-law changes that would revise the time period at issue to 30 days before the bankruptcy.

In September, Novare Inc., a firm representing United, sent Midwest a letter threatening "costly and unnecessary litigation" if Midwest didn't pay a settlement of $54,800, or 80 percent of the full amount.

Fioretti said he sought records from United about the work Midwest performed and found that the Chicago-based carrier apparently had little of what he asked for. On Friday, he said, a Novare lawyer said it would cut a deal for 65 percent.

"I said I would talk to my clients sometime this week," he said. But "my guys can't afford that."

The Novare lawyer seemed willing to wait, Fioretti said. But on Monday, a separate firm representing United sued Midwest.

"It demonstrates further bad faith of what is going on in this bankruptcy," said Fioretti, who had not seen the suit as of late Tuesday afternoon. "It's one hand not knowing what the other hand is doing."

He said United going after Midwest's money is "unconscionable." It's a small firm "that was trying to keep United in business."

Fioretti said Midwest didn't know at the time that United was headed for Chapter 11 protection. He argued that the payments were made in United's ordinary course of business, so they wouldn't qualify as preferential payments.

Jack B. Fishman, president of Novare, referred an interview request to United's media-relations office.

"This is a normal part of the bankruptcy process that ensures one creditor does not get preferential treatment," said Jean Medina, a United spokeswoman. "We're hopeful to settle as many of these issues as we can. We recognize that bankruptcy is difficult and all of our constituents are contributing to ensure United" becomes viable.

United also is asking the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Chicago for the right to start mediation proceedings, sparing some legal expenses.

United expects to have filed a total of about 200 preference actions by Thursday, she said. She declined to provide details on how much money United seeks.

"The preference issue has always been controversial," said Bill Brandt, a corporate turnaround consultant in Chicago, and advances in computer technology have helped spur more filings.

Speedy Internet connections and deep recordkeeping let lawyers rapidly ship "hundreds of these things."

Because they can be costly to fight, creditors sometimes feel they must pay a settlement.

"It has become abusive," Robert P. Simons, a Pittsburgh bankruptcy lawyer told BusinessWeek last month. "The pressure is on the defendant to cut a deal."

Douglas Baird, a bankruptcy-law professor at the University of Chicago, said companies that extended credit to United when it was struggling in late 2002 took a big risk. He said he doesn't have much sympathy for any creditors that are upset unless United lacks sufficient reason for a preference claim.

"It might be abusive if there was a small amount of money involved and you had to spend a lot of money on lawyers," he said. "But it's the name of the game."

Denver attorney Stephen Abelman, a bankruptcy specialist at Cage Williams Abelman, said the bankruptcy rule is one of the hardest to explain to sued creditors, large and small.

"It's rubbing salt on the wound. A bankrupt company that still owes you a substantial amount of money is now demanding you return the little money you did collect. I can't tell you how many furious clients have come to me and asked how in the world could this be allowed."

A case in point: The bankruptcy trustee for now-defunct Western Integrated Networks of Denver recently filed a $75,000 claim against a California firm it leased equipment from, seeking the return of Western's last three monthly payments. Yet Western still owes the equipment leasing firm nearly $500,000.

Abelman said that if the preference action is ignored, the bankruptcy court can disallow any outstanding debt still owed to the creditor.

Other creditors United has sued include the Marriott Denver Southeast, Yahoo! and PeopleSoft.

United Airlines' 'preference actions'

The carrier is seeking from creditors the payments it made in the 90 days before its December 2002 bankruptcy filing.

United will have filed about 200 lawsuits by Thursday.

Colorado creditors such as Ball Aerospace are among those sued.



Perhaps next, they will sue the passengers for having paid to little.
 
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That $50k would go a long way toward getting UAL out of Ch.11...

More warm-fuzzies from airline management.TC
 
What jacka.s's
 
Doesn't seem to be a good idea since it could dampen future creditor cooperation.

I would also think there is a much better use for the money in legal fees they will spend on this.
 
Vik said:
UAL has lawyers on staff, full time, so its no sweat off their back suing anyone that they feel like.
**The Novare lawyer seemed willing to wait, Fioretti said. But on Monday, a separate firm representing United sued Midwest.**

Vik, the lawyers that corporations retain as staff....ah never mind.
 
What a way to bring in the holidays- biting the hand that feeds you.
 
At the risk of sounding extremely callous by United employees, I must say this is just one more sad example of an airline that is devoid of adequate managerial talent while simultaneously being crushed under the tremendous financial pressure of its own making. What good will come from this action? The only winners will be the unscrupulous, greedy lawyers who at last count have billed UAL over $140 million in the last two years. In that same time UAL has been "reorganizing" under chapter 11 of the US bankruptcy code, yet there is still no clear indication when it will come out of bankruptcy protection and many financial experts believe it will be at least another year before anyone really knows. How much longer do the creditors, employees, and the US taxpayers have to be bullied by this band of incompetent "leaders" before they cause irrepairable damage to this industry and this profession?

The time is long overdue that this airline be liquidated and sent to the proverbial glue factory. Yes Martha there will be a lot of otherwise innocent victims of such an action, but to continue to enable this Darwinistic do-do bird to wreak financial havoc to this industry will create a more damaging outcome to far more people who have staked their futures in this cruel business. As for those of you who might think that I'm picking on United, I hold the same contempt for US Airways which had proven itself equally qualified for immediate financial extinction.
 
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Ok, let me re-write what I meant to say:

United hires these *firms* full time so its no sweat off their back how many people they want to sue.

Now I don't know if Novare is hired on a full time basis, but most of UAL's legal actions are done by lawyers that work for firms that have a full time contract with UAL.

Boeingman said:
**The Novare lawyer seemed willing to wait, Fioretti said. But on Monday, a separate firm representing United sued Midwest.**

Vik, the lawyers that corporations retain as staff....ah never mind.
 
Wow - what a terrible reputation UAL continues to garner for itself. It may feel that it needs this cash right now to survive, but how likely are the defendants in those lawsuits to ever work with UAL in the future, assuming UAL survives? Something about burning bridges comes to my mind.

A question for any of the legal minds around here. Could the defendants in these cases counter-sue UAL on the grounds that they are due payment for services rendered prior to UAL's bankruptcy filing?
 
Vik said:
Ok, let me re-write what I meant to say:

United hires these *firms* full time so its no sweat off their back how many people they want to sue.
Are you familiar with the term "billable hours'?
 
My house note payment is due on the first. I spent all my dough on Christmas gifts for my girlfriends and beer. I think I'll sue my bank for them having the nerve to actually demand my payment.

United reminds me of an old college roomate. We all had them. You know the guy who never has his portion of the rent money? My roomate always said, "those people were dumb enough to give me a student loan. They're gonna have fun getting that money back."

Good luck United. You're going to need it if you ever want financing again.
 
Smells of desperation to me. Turning up the couch cushions if you will.
 
That's what the MBA's learn in business school.


This is why they have a course called "Business Ethics" They don't have ethics and want to learn what others in Business think qualifies as ethics.

Anyway you look at this it is wrong.
 
I am sure future (if UAL has a future) vendors will be wary of dealing with UAL after this debacle... Great way to make friends!
 
My most profound sympathies to the innocent rank and file employees for having to work for such unbelievably scummy sub-human piles of rank excrement.

Chapter 7 is coming soon, and the only people that are going to get 100 pennies on the dollar are the lawyers.
 
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The concept here was that you could not make deals and payments in anticipation of Bankruptcy. In short, like pay your friends off and leave the others hanging. It gave the right to the court to recover these funds for places that were paid.


It has been used and misused.
 

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