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CHICAGO (Dec. 27) - In an effort to protect its $1.5 billion in interim financing, bankrupt United Airlines is heading to court to target its labor contracts.

United has until Feb. 15 to cut costs or it could lose the loans it has received to keep it flying. So it plans to file a motion Friday in U.S. Bankruptcy Court, asking a judge to begin the process of voiding contracts with its unions.

Both United and the six unions view the filing as a procedural move.

If the request is granted, United would have 51 days to negotiate an agreement with unions to cut wages by $2.4 billion. Otherwise, a federal judge could have the final say on labor contracts.

United - the world's second biggest airline - says its labor costs are the highest in the industry. So far, the company has not outlined anything specific about its latest cost-cutting proposals.

Spokesman Joe Hopkins said the carrier had no comment beyond a one-sentence news release announcing its plan.

Shares in United parent UAL Corp. rose 13 cents to $1.42 each in early trading Friday on the New York Stock Exchange.

Union representatives have criticized Elk Grove Village, Ill.-based United for giving them a list of proposed givebacks instead of a complete business plan. Labor groups want to see such a plan before agreeing to cost cuts, Air Line Pilots Association spokesman Dave Kelly said Thursday.

''Until we get that information, it's really hard for us to determine what the company is asking for and how we can work with the company to reach that rational business plan,'' Kelly said.

The union representing United flight attendants called the company's filing a ''positive development.'' Union officials said they'll keep working with United to help the airline recover.

In a posting on its Web site, the union representing United ground workers advised its members late Thursday that the group was ''not presently engaged in negotiations with United Airlines'' and that the union did not ask the carrier to delay its motion.

United's statement said it was delaying the filing in response to ongoing negotiations and labor union requests.

United needs to slash its labor costs by $2.4 billion annually to satisfy its lenders, according to the flight attendants' union. The unions already have agreed on about $1 billion in yearly cuts as part of United's failed try for a government loan guarantee.

The airline warned in its Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing on Dec. 10 that cuts were coming that would go well beyond its previous financial recovery plan, which called for $5.2 billion in labor cutbacks by 2008.

AP-NY-12-27-02 1108EST
 
No Choice

They have no choice and cuts will go further than just a breaking of the contract. They have to become productive and profitable or perish. Anyone who fails to accept this is in a state of denial.
 
Re: No Choice

pilotyip said:
They have no choice and cuts will go further than just a breaking of the contract. They have to become productive and profitable or perish. Anyone who fails to accept this is in a state of denial.


There is soo much more to becoming profitable than breaking union contracts. United has not presented the employees any kind of plan. They should not be asked to for go %50+ of their pay just for United to last a few more days.

You sound like another know-nothing analyst.:eek:
 
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The kicker is is that to get the 2nd half of their DIP financing, they have to show a positive cash flow for the first quarter - which is like getting a politician to tell the truth during the election campaign.

Even if they tear up the contracts, and slash everybodys wages to 1/2 what they are today, I still think it will be too little too late.
 
Bankruptcy union busting

:confused:

I thought that Congress enacted laws to eliminate such tactics after the 1980s round of Frank Lorenzo Continental union-busting.
 
Re: Bankruptcy union busting

bobbysamd said:
:confused:

I thought that Congress enacted laws to eliminate such tactics after the 1980s round of Frank Lorenzo Continental union-busting.

Thanks to Frank, it now requires specific approval of the bankruptcy judge to void union contracts. Also, there has to be fairly compelling evidence that the employee group is not seriously bargaining in order to come to a negotiated settlement. In the case of the IAM, their continuing reluctance to work with the company isn't going to help them with 'da judge.
 
Union Busting?

Bobby this is not about union busting, it is about saving 10,000 pilots jobs. UAL has terminal cancer and it needs to be operated on ASAP. To put off the operation because you don't want to admit you have cancer is denial.
 
Surgery v. amputation v. decapitation

njcapt said:
Thanks to Frank, it now requires specific approval of the bankruptcy judge to void union contracts. Also, there has to be fairly compelling evidence that the employee group is not seriously bargaining in order to come to a negotiated settlement. In the case of the IAM, their continuing reluctance to work with the company isn't going to help them with 'da judge.
That answers my question. Thanks.

I understand Pilotyip's point, above. There's a difference between using a scalpel and using a machete. I had understood that Frankie boy used bankruptcy as a machete to eliminate unions from the Continental property.
 
Under Chapter 11 the company is required to go to the union and ask for relief of the contract under emergency conditions. The union is required to present this plan to the employees and they should vote on it . If the company cannot get the required relief from the unions they go to the judge. At this point the judge can authorize the company to impose any contract on the union to provide the relief that it needs.But as one person brought up at this point UAL is in such bad shape that all the pilots could work for free and it would not help the situation. I predict that unless things change in the economy soon that AA will be right behind UAL.
 
as one person brought up at this point UAL is in such bad shape that all the pilots could work for free and it would not help the situation

If this is true then we will see a major route and aircraft reorganization.

I predict that unless things change in the economy soon that AA will be right behind UAL.

Even if the economy begins a rebound the current big three airline business models will not thrive in the future marketplace.
 

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