UAL Retirements by 2010

[Powda5]

Does anyone have any data that would predict the percentage of UAL pilots who will be retired (age 60) by 2010? Could you direct me where to find this if you know? Thank you!

 

[Ty Webb]

The way things seem to be going over there, a more relevant topic may be "Will there BE a United in 2010"?


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[Sonny Crockett]

The way things seem to be going over there, a more relevant topic may be "Will there BE a United in 2010"?


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Why would you say that? Ty, do you have something against the UAL pilot group?

 

[Ty Webb]

Nope, but your management "team" couldn't run a Starbucks.



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[Sonny Crockett]

Nope, but your management "team" couldn't run a Starbucks.



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Probably right.

I see a merger in the works with a new managemnt "Team" and the name United as the survivor.

My money is on CAL or DAL.

 

[PA-22]

Does anyone have any data that would predict the percentage of UAL pilots who will be retired (age 60) by 2010? Could you direct me where to find this if you know? Thank you!

Since the age 60 will probably change in December, I would say only a handful. I will love being an F/O for an extra 5 years.:angryfire Of course if you see the glass half full it's better than being out there looking for a job at the majors.
Colt.

 

[Lake Alice]

How many pilots would be furloughed in a proposed merger between UAL and CAL or DL?

 

[GuppyPuppy]

How many pilots would be furloughed in a proposed merger between UAL and CAL or DL?

Three

 

[Lake Alice]

Cmon' now. I was being serious.

 

[Sonny Crockett]

Don't have any idea how many would be furloughed, however UAL is running pretty mean and lean in respect to Pilots, we are understaffed in all fleets with maybe an exception in the B747-400.

I doubt any furloughs.

 

[coogebeachhotel]

Guam would be sold so a few dudes would be outrigging it back to the mainland

 

[32LT10]

The way things seem to be going over there, a more relevant topic may be "Will there BE a United in 2010"?


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Tyrone,

Why would you say that? With almost 5 billion in the bank, also you might see UAL post a profit for the 2Q. Perhaps we could be gone by 2010 if we were to fly undeclared hazmat, crash in the glades and then be found in loss of operational control of our airline by the FAAand be staffed with a huge gauntlet of scabs. But I am betting that was a one trick pony for the good ol' Valujet. Of course we could just change our name and start over like another carrier did.




Oh yea, and we will have to start charging $25 bucks a ride for jumpseaters.

 

[PHXFLYR]

Hmmmm...... let's see 5 billion in the bank but 17 billion dollars in debt.Didn't I read that somewhere? And this was AFTER coming out of chapter 11. I don't know. I'd still be nervous if I were a UA employee.


PHXFLYR

 

[Sonny Crockett]

Hmmmm...... let's see 5 billion in the bank but 17 billion dollars in debt.Didn't I read that somewhere? And this was AFTER coming out of chapter 11. I don't know. I'd still be nervous if I were a UA employee.


PHXFLYR

Worry about yourself junior.....

 

[Yuppyguppy]

TY WEBB you and all your valujet buds have your day coming soon. More concessions over there I bet

 

[Jetjockey]

If a merger occured with UAL, and another carrier, why is everyone so sure furloughs will occur. It seemed that was the speculation when US Airways hooked up with America West. So far, they've actually recalled. I know consolidation usually means a reduction somewhere, but not all the time.

 

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[D-Bo]

Does anyone have any data that would predict the percentage of UAL pilots who will be retired (age 60) by 2010? Could you direct me where to find this if you know? Thank you!

Why do you want to know?

 

[Plug]

Tyrone,

Why would you say that? With almost 5 billion in the bank, also you might see UAL post a profit for the 2Q. Perhaps we could be gone by 2010 if we were to fly undeclared hazmat, crash in the glades and then be found in loss of operational control of our airline by the FAAand be staffed with a huge gauntlet of scabs. But I am betting that was a one trick pony for the good ol' Valujet. Of course we could just change our name and start over like another carrier did.




Oh yea, and we will have to start charging $25 bucks a ride for jumpseaters.

Just looking at the master scab list, you don't have much room to talk about a huge gauntlet of scabs there at UAL. Neither am I since we have our fair share, but those who live in glass houses.....

I do agree that the $25 jumpseat charge is crap, thanks Klaus!

 

[MCDU]

If a merger occured with UAL, and another carrier, why is everyone so sure furloughs will occur. It seemed that was the speculation when US Airways hooked up with America West. So far, they've actually recalled. I know consolidation usually means a reduction somewhere, but not all the time.
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USAir furloughed about 1800 plus pilots to make a merger happen. So, USAir was right sized so it could merge. So yes, there are furloughs when airlines are getting merged or are getting pruned for a merger.

Marty

 

[Ty Webb]

TY WEBB you and all your valujet buds have your day coming soon. More concessions over there I bet

Spoken like a true idiot . . . . . there are no concessions contemplated, in fact, we are negotiating our next contract right now, and we are looking for improvements in every section.

Nice try, though.


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[Hvy]

Spoken like a true idiot . . . . . there are no concessions contemplated, in fact, we are negotiating our next contract right now, and we are looking for improvements in every section.

Nice try, though.


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Yeah....it'll still suck.

 

[seahorse]

Tyrone,

Why would you say that? With almost 5 billion in the bank, also you might see UAL post a profit for the 2Q. Perhaps we could be gone by 2010 if we were to fly undeclared hazmat, crash in the glades and then be found in loss of operational control of our airline by the FAAand be staffed with a huge gauntlet of scabs. But I am betting that was a one trick pony for the good ol' Valujet. Of course we could just change our name and start over like another carrier did.




Oh yea, and we will have to start charging $25 bucks a ride for jumpseaters.

Don't forget that a lot of those valujet pilots also paid around 20K for their DC-9 training. I'm sure ty knows all about that, don't you Critter ty?

 

[seahorse]

Guam would be sold so a few dudes would be outrigging it back to the mainland

Yeah, the child molesters would be brought back to the mainland where they would have their as.ses royally kicked.

 

[tranceport]

can anyone just atfq around here?

there are apporximately 300 retirements a year ad infinitum at UAL. 2010 is here in a few years so UAl will lose about 1,000 pilots (~15%). Anyone have more accurate numbers, please post them. I'm too lazy to look that up.

Don't forget if you are looking at UAL retirment numbers, keep the CAL numbers in mind too...much higher percentage wize than UAL.

Right...this is all notwithstanding age 60 being changed to 65. First off, even if that happens this fall '06, it will have stipulations in it that may not make it as much a hit as we all think. Can you imagine how long it will take the FAA and the airlines to iron out details? I give it at least an additional year. (or two?)

Furthermore, my personal opinion is that unless a pilot is in top physical and mental shape, the numbers of people leaving for medical reasons will go up past age 60. Know anyone in their 50's or 60's? As the U.S. is the world leader in chronic disease like cancer and heart disease, I wouldn't bet the farm that it will be 'years and years' before a recall or hiring to start back again. Factor in stock market and economic conditions, pension 'reform', etc and you may see people leaving notwithstanding being 'allowed' to stay. I personally just don't see most pilots making age 65 as their ultimate cut off unless pay and benefits turn around. This is not the 'job' it was and never will be because we are all talk, reactionary, and spineless.


As far as the merger, I hope it happens. Actually, it can't happen soon enough. With fewer players, tickets prices are bound to go up (just take at the record oil company profits in the first quarter of this year!). Good thing (if there is one in a merger) is both CAL and UAL are ALPO. Also, CAL has many airplanes on order (30 787's for starters in '08)

good luck to all in this career!

 

[Ty Webb]

Yeah....it'll still suck.

Ah . . . another nutless wonder. 32LT10, is that you?

 

[Ty Webb]

Don't forget that a lot of those valujet pilots also paid around 20K for their DC-9 training. I'm sure ty knows all about that, don't you Critter ty?

Nobody hired in the last 10 years paid for any type rating . . . . and the guys who were hired before that sure didn't spend $20K on it. I don't know how mych they paid, I never worked for that company.

Looks like you paid for a 737 type, though . . . . that was a waste of money. It's pretty clear from your posts on this board that you aren't what SWA is looking for, that's for sure.


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[Plug]

can anyone just atfq around here?

there are apporximately 300 retirements a year ad infinitum at UAL. 2010 is here in a few years so UAl will lose about 1,000 pilots (~15%). Anyone have more accurate numbers, please post them. I'm too lazy to look that up.

Don't forget if you are looking at UAL retirment numbers, keep the CAL numbers in mind too...much higher percentage wize than UAL.

Right...this is all notwithstanding age 60 being changed to 65. First off, even if that happens this fall '06, it will have stipulations in it that may not make it as much a hit as we all think. Can you imagine how long it will take the FAA and the airlines to iron out details? I give it at least an additional year. (or two?)

Furthermore, my personal opinion is that unless a pilot is in top physical and mental shape, the numbers of people leaving for medical reasons will go up past age 60. Know anyone in their 50's or 60's? As the U.S. is the world leader in chronic disease like cancer and heart disease, I wouldn't bet the farm that it will be 'years and years' before a recall or hiring to start back again. Factor in stock market and economic conditions, pension 'reform', etc and you may see people leaving notwithstanding being 'allowed' to stay. I personally just don't see most pilots making age 65 as their ultimate cut off unless pay and benefits turn around. This is not the 'job' it was and never will be because we are all talk, reactionary, and spineless.


As far as the merger, I hope it happens. Actually, it can't happen soon enough. With fewer players, tickets prices are bound to go up (just take at the record oil company profits in the first quarter of this year!). Good thing (if there is one in a merger) is both CAL and UAL are ALPO. Also, CAL has many airplanes on order (30 787's for starters in '08)

good luck to all in this career!

Thank you tranceport! I agree with you that a merger can't happen soon enough. It won't be good for me to start off and may even result in a furlough for a short while (I think I have about 20 below me at CAL.) But, as you state, there is just too much capacity which keeps prices down. Everyone says a merger with UAL will be "doom and gloom." Yeah it'll change the CAL corporate culture which Bethune worked so hard to build and Kehlner is keeping alive, but I don't think it'll change all that much. But even with that, rumor has it Bethune may get back in the game maybe even the helm at UAL. Merge UAL and CAL while Bethune is rocking the boat may be the best thing to happen.

Cheers

 

[seahorse]

critter

Nobody hired in the last 10 years paid for any type rating . . . . and the guys who were hired before that sure didn't spend $20K on it. I don't know how mych they paid, I never worked for that company.

Looks like you paid for a 737 type, though . . . . that was a waste of money. It's pretty clear from your posts on this board that you aren't what SWA is looking for, that's for sure.


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Yes they did pay around 20K for their DC9 training at valujet you lyer. I never applied to SWA, and I WAS what CAL was looking for. They also paid for my B737 type rating. Later critter!!

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Hey TY is that what the company communications committee says?