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737 Pylt

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Please forgive me if this was posted, but say it ain't so.......
Will someone stop these crooks from doing this on the backs of labor!
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United Creditors Slam Management Plan
Monday December 12, 10:01 pm ET United Creditors Slam Management Stock Plan, Saying Proposal Is Improper

CHICAGO (AP) -- Creditors for United Airlines on Monday asked a federal bankruptcy judge to block the carrier's plan to give management and other salaried employees at least $96 million in stock and other equity as part of its restructuring plan.
United's unsecured creditors committee in a court filing said the proposal is improper because it treats salaried employees the same as union workers, who were given future stock and convertible notes in exchange for new labor contracts that slashed wages and benefits.
The committee said the salaried employees, unlike unionized workers, have no contract to protect their salaries and benefits. It added that the stock proposal was "buried" in an amendment to United's plan of reorganization.
"The plan is not a platform to give gifts to non-creditors to the detriment of bona fide unsecured creditors," the court filing says.
United granted the salaried employees a $1 billion claim, which would be converted into $40 million to $80 million in future stock, and agreed to pay them a $56 million convertible note, the filing says.
United spokeswoman Jean Medina said the salaried employees, though not covered by collective bargaining agreements, "contributed their share of savings" to the company's restructuring efforts.
"United has proposed that they also should participate proportionately in the equity distribution," she said.
She said each stock plan under the union's collective bargaining agreements similarly "reflect the economic contributions each group made." Creditors are scheduled to vote on the carrier's reorganization plan in January. United, a unit of Elk Grove Village-based UAL Corp., hopes to emerge in February from more than three years in Chapter 11 bankruptcy.
 
Why shouldn't they be rewarded they saved the airline and the pilots jobs. Should they work for free?
 
Saved the pilots jobs? How many UAL pilots are on the street right now while the 70 and 90 seats "affiliates" fill the skies?

Saved their jobs? They "lucky ones" who remain took a 30%? pay cut and loss of seniority resulting in downgrades to lesser equipment resulting in a further pay cut totalling what, 40, 50%?

Great job. They probably do deserve a BILLION dollars in compensation. They did such a bang up job that their expertise has resulted in 3 YEARS of bankruptsy.

Gup
 
Should they work for free?, could someone else do a better job? Are the pilots better off at the reorganizaed UAL as opposed to the defunct EAL or Pam Am? Is lowering the bar to $150K better than driving a bread truck?
 
pilotyip said:
Should they work for free?

No. I seriously, seriously doubt they currently work for free, and don't see any reason why they should get bonuses..especially when that money could go to giving former or furloughed United employees jobs with the company!
 
GuppyWN said:
Saved their jobs? They "lucky ones" who remain took a 30%? pay cut and loss of seniority resulting in downgrades to lesser equipment resulting in a further pay cut totalling what, 40, 50%?
Gup

Guess you should'a paid attention to EAL, PAA and TWA in the 80's, huh...TC
 
Do the unions share any of the blame for the mess UAL ended up in? This mess then resulted in the finding a team with talent to save as many jobs as possible, as opposed to liquidation like EAL. How do you attract the people with the talent to save something as large as UAL without having a carrot out there for them when succeed?
 
pilotyip said:
Do the unions share any of the blame for the mess UAL ended up in? This mess then resulted in the finding a team with talent to save as many jobs as possible, as opposed to liquidation like EAL. How do you attract the people with the talent to save something as large as UAL without having a carrot out there for them when succeed?
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Pilotyip-

Yes, if you want to be brutally honest, the unions share part of the blame. But given the role that unions have historically played, it wasn't going to change. For a union to come to its members and say "We got a call last night that was verified to be God himself, and you'd better take steps yadda-yadda-yadda" would be a complete paradigm shift to be scoffed at by the membership. Unions unfortunately don't take those actions, because the rank and file will vote the leadership out. And it's all about eating those big prawns at happy hour for 90% of the leadership. Also, unless all unions sing from the same sheet of music, human nature prevails and nobody wants to think that they're taking a hit while another union group isn't.

If you'll look back at UAL history, Jim Goodwin (former CEO) actually spoke the truth to the employees a year before BK when he said that the company was hemmorageing money. Had Goodwin actually been respected by the employees and perceived as a real leader, his statement might have instituted some action other than to grease the skids for his departure. Change the faces and places: if Crandall had said the same thing, people at AA would have at least listened.

If somebody writes a book about the UAL history leading up to the BK, unfortunately, human nature and the historic role of unions will be cited as contributing factors to the company's slide. Looking at it is like watching a runaway train as it speeds toward a washed-out trestle. You know what's going to happen, but there's nothing you can do about it.

What is surprising is that others have watched our scenario play out, but couldn't or wouldn't apply it to their own situations. Again, human nature and the historic role of unions have contributed to bad outcomes. Unfortunately, I don't see things changing any time soon.
 
pilotyip said:
Why shouldn't they be rewarded they saved the airline and the pilots jobs. Should they work for free?

You're XXXXX high...put the crack pipe down

OOOO, Cap, sorry man, but I gotta be consistent here as you're an old-timer and know the rules. Three days in the box for the "F" word.

UAL78
 
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