UAL Embraer-170

[inbound]

CHQ pilots flying the 170's Under Republic? aaaaaaaa so whats different about them and the pilots flying for GO Jets?

 

[RP170]

CHQ pilots flying the 170's Under Republic? aaaaaaaa so whats different about them and the pilots flying for GO Jets?

We all operate under the same union and fall under the same pay rates, contract and seniority list. Go Jet does not. They are undercutting the current Trans States pilots (lower pay, crappy work rules, etc.)

 

[LearLove]

CHQ pilots flying the 170's Under Republic? aaaaaaaa so whats different about them and the pilots flying for GO Jets?

Yeah I agree with RP170 above. Rep is not like Gojets.

 

[Weasel Keeper]

Oh my god.....You guys are fighting like two alley cat's over who has a bigger johnson.

I needed a good laugh, thanks.

I think you've figured it out!

It's kind of like watching a train wreck with these guys hiding within the internet who all work for RAH now.

Rumors fly and everyone has all the answers...yet nobody has the final answers...

Wanna phone a friend?

Someday we'll ALL realize we're just a bunch of mushrooms here.

 

[Bart Simpson]

SHUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT UP already.
SHUT UP
SHUT UP
SHUT UP
I'm gonna have to go to therapy because of you guys and gals always fighting.

 

[parrothead]

Quit all this BS you big bunch of PU$$IES!!!!!!!!!!!!!We're all equal in God's eyes!! Remember that biatches!!!

 

[TooBad]

Does anyone know where you can get good gouge/study material on the 170/190? Thanks

 

[Cracker]

I don't want to sound arrogant or cocky, but I am confident in saying thaqt you probably don't need gouge material. The aircraft systems have been symplified to that point that the answer to most systems questions is "It works automatically in accordance with system logic."

Coming off of previous aircraft where had 3 different gouge/study packets and "supplemental" study sheets, I feel that the aircraft systems and even the SIM portion have been symplified s to the point that you can even have fun learning in the sim.

If your training is anything like our training, you really don't need gouges. Don't worry about having enough time to learn the info, just relax and have fun. It's a nice aircraft.

 

[BlackPilot628]

I don't want to sound arrogant or cocky, but I am confident in saying thaqt you probably don't need gouge material. The aircraft systems have been symplified to that point that the answer to most systems questions is "It works automatically in accordance with system logic."

Coming off of previous aircraft where had 3 different gouge/study packets and "supplemental" study sheets, I feel that the aircraft systems and even the SIM portion have been symplified s to the point that you can even have fun learning in the sim.

If your training is anything like our training, you really don't need gouges. Don't worry about having enough time to learn the info, just relax and have fun. It's a nice aircraft.

I appricate your writing that. Sounds like great a great plane! Thanks for the Info!

 

[Full of LUV]

Sad, very sad

You are all very sad individuals, I can't believe the glee from all of you as the 737 replacement is rolled out across America, flown for about what a UAL captain would have made in per diem. I can forsee the day when the EMB 190 or 210 comes on line, paying less, hauling more and ALL of you will be pissing in your wheaties as you read about a bunch of, famililess, petulant, 20 somethings just dieing to fly it without even a 401K or benefits so they can log Jet time.
Whatever you are making to fly this thing, it too will be deemed "excessive" by the newbies and wantabes of the future. Mark my words!

 

[FlyingDawg]

Nothing can be done quickly until the two unions can settle on which local is going to represent the Shuttle certificate.

Until that is settled, the intergration issue will remain on the back burner.

If one union represents the SA certificate, and another represents the CHQ & REP certificates, then who negotiates the next contract?

Any new news from the Teamsters?

 

[SlapShot]

We have not heard anything in about two weeks.

 

[NewBlue]

Does anyone know where you can get good gouge/study material on the 170/190? Thanks

Did you get the bid?

 

[House_X]

You are all very sad individuals, I can't believe the glee from all of you as the 737 replacement is rolled out across America, flown for about what a UAL captain would have made in per diem. I can forsee the day when the EMB 190 or 210 comes on line, paying less, hauling more and ALL of you will be pissing in your wheaties as you read about a bunch of, famililess, petulant, 20 somethings just dieing to fly it without even a 401K or benefits so they can log Jet time.
Whatever you are making to fly this thing, it too will be deemed "excessive" by the newbies and wantabes of the future. Mark my words!

You want to blame somebody....blame UAL management....not UAX carriers.

Dude, with 2100 hrs your most likely a regional puke like the rest of us....

 

[OldManPilot]

If one union represents the SA certificate, and another represents the CHQ & REP certificates, then who negotiates the next contract?

Any new news from the Teamsters?

All flying will be done from the CHQ master seniority list... thus anyone on this list will be represented by the ibt747 CHQ contract. there will be no seperate contract at each carrier.

 

[I.P. Freley]

You want to blame somebody....blame UAL management....not UAX carriers. Dude, with 2100 hrs your most likely a regional puke like the rest of us....

It doesn't matter whether Full of LUV is a regional pilot, a LUV driver, or Mr. Lindbergh himself. The "blah blah blah you're flying a DC-9 for regional pay blah blah blah" argument is as stale as month-old bread. Is it unfortunate for the profession that the new 70+ seat airplanes aren't flying as mainline? Yes. Is it the fault of any single regional pilot? No. This is the job, this is what it pays, and if you don't like it, go be a manager at Circuit City or something.

This is not the business to make a ton of money anymore... There are a thousand other occupations you could go into with more money, more home time, and less stress. It seems like the inevitable outcome of the argument that FullofLuv uses is "you're all whores". Could the argument possibly be any more trite?

 

[EMB170Pilot]

OK for all of you CHQ/RP/SA guys/gals that do not understand the whole WHO IS FLYING FOR WHO goes lke this.


Now listen up!


Here's the interpretation:

1. One Fish Two Fish Red Fish Blue Fish
2. Knick Knack Patty Wack.........................a give a dog a bone

Better?

 

[SlapShot]

Oh man and I was hoping for a good game of Red light, Green Light or Red Rover.

I have a good way to solve this intergration issue, DODGE BALL!!!!!

 

[KingAirer]

I agree SlapShot...1200 on 100..Ill take that bet.

 

[PapaGiorgio]

How about we do paper rock scissors starting with the number one guy on the list. We can form a line outside the crew room.

 

[LearLove]

Looking for a solution? Just use this one but tweek the pilot groups to match your situation. In this case CHQ/MDA/REP/SA. We could use PIT as the location, its not like ther is much going on there anyway these days.


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I have the solution:

I suggested this way back during the UAL/U fiasco and again during the accompaning ACA/PDT-ALG deal and once again in the recient past in ref. to the ALG/PDT merger.

Senority integration via STEEL CAGE MATCH!!!!!!


I this case (U/AWA) we choose a neutral location like Kansas City KMCI and get all the US Air, MidAtlantic and AWA guys and lock them in a giant steel cage. When the bell rings it's every man for himself. First guy knocked out gets the bottom senority number. The next guy after gets one senority number better and so on till only one guy is standing. Last guy standing gets senority number one. Screw ALPA merger policy, this is the only fair way. We could even sell tickets and make back the paycuts weve given in the past 4 years.

 

[Full of LUV]

It doesn't matter whether Full of LUV is a regional pilot, a LUV driver, or Mr. Lindbergh himself. The "blah blah blah you're flying a DC-9 for regional pay blah blah blah" argument is as stale as month-old bread. Is it unfortunate for the profession that the new 70+ seat airplanes aren't flying as mainline? Yes. Is it the fault of any single regional pilot? No. This is the job, this is what it pays, and if you don't like it, go be a manager at Circuit City or something.

This is not the business to make a ton of money anymore... There are a thousand other occupations you could go into with more money, more home time, and less stress. It seems like the inevitable outcome of the argument that FullofLuv uses is "you're all whores". Could the argument possibly be any more trite?

I didn't say whores, I understand the motivation, it's just that there is possibly no end in sight to the "regionalization" of the mainline contracts. It is a free market and if people are willing to fly a 777 for 15K a year, eventually, there will be a company doing it. Actually, I believe it is technology which has superseded the pilot, the plane does almost everything itself (newer equiptment) and experience, for what it's worth, is less and less valuable. We are entering an era where any pilot with 5 years seniority is an economic liability, not an asset, since a replacement guy can just walk into his position for less. Actually, I believe we will be one of the last generations to actually fly planes and if I were a cargo guy, I think that long term (within 20 years) I WILL be replaced by UAV's, no question.

My perevious point was directed in observing the sheer glee that these two workgroups are enjoying in replacing guppies for a fraction of the pay as if there is a long term future in it. Yes, you had better be satisfied with the CA 170 rates, because for many, that will be it!
Ciao

 

[I.P. Freley]

Actually, I believe we will be one of the last generations to actually fly planes and if I were a cargo guy, I think that long term (within 20 years) I WILL be replaced by UAV's, no question

As long as it's not in the next 25 years or so, I'm all set.

 

[BoilerUP]

Actually, I believe we will be one of the last generations to actually fly planes and if I were a cargo guy, I think that long term (within 20 years) I WILL be replaced by UAV's, no question.

Yeah, and in the 1940s we thought by the year 2000 we'd have flying cars and death rays and would have cured all the world's diseases. 50 years ago we thought we'd have colonies on the moon and we'd have sent men to Mars by now. 30 years ago, we thought cars would get 50 miles per gallon. In the year 2003, we finally figured out how to get big, expensive remote control airplanes to shoot missiles at enemy vehicles.

Will airliner-size UAVs happen? Yeah, I think so. In my lifetime (and I'm early 20s)? I doubt it, even in cargo.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

All flying will be done from the CHQ master seniority list... thus anyone on this list will be represented by the ibt747 CHQ contract. there will be no seperate contract at each carrier.

You aren't entirely correct here. If the lists are merged, then there will be a merged contract and a merged contract comes only as the result of another contract negotiations process. It is all a negotiable process. It isn't as simple as "merging the lists" and putting them under the CHQ contract. This holds true regardless of what union represents who and if they are even unionized.

-Neal

 

[SlapShot]

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I have the solution:

I suggested this way back during the UAL/U fiasco and again during the accompaning ACA/PDT-ALG deal and once again in the recient past in ref. to the ALG/PDT merger.

Senority integration via STEEL CAGE MATCH!!!!!!


I this case (U/AWA) we choose a neutral location like Kansas City KMCI and get all the US Air, MidAtlantic and AWA guys and lock them in a giant steel cage. When the bell rings it's every man for himself. First guy knocked out gets the bottom senority number. The next guy after gets one senority number better and so on till only one guy is standing. Last guy standing gets senority number one. Screw ALPA merger policy, this is the only fair way. We could even sell tickets and make back the paycuts weve given in the past 4 years.

SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY

You'll pay for the whole seat but you will only need....... THE EDGE!!!!

 

[I.P. Freley]

SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY

You'll pay for the whole seat but you will only need....... THE EDGE!!!!

This has dragged on long enough that I'm wondering if a Festivus Pole is going to be needed. Nice prop for "The Airing of Greivances" and all...

 

[ERfly]

This has dragged on long enough that I'm wondering if a Festivus Pole is going to be needed. Nice prop for "The Airing of Greivances" and all...

Followed by the Feats of Strength

 

[Fred Flamebait]

The SA saabs still only have vor's and can't accept direct anywhere what makes you think airlines are going to pay for uav's. And would any former pilot knowing our moronic dispatchers allow any freinds or loved ones on those. But I would love to phone a 4 day in from the couch but without the vested interest I have in the outcome now would I really care as much.