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United debt gets solid ratings

$3 billion in loans to finance operations after bankruptcy exit

By Mark Skertic
Tribune staff reporter
Published January 10, 2006

United Airlines parent UAL Corp. received good grades Monday from two major credit-rating houses on a $3 billion loan it secured, which the carrier said confirms it has made the right moves while in bankruptcy to become more competitive.

The announcement about the $3 billion loan came Monday after a nearly two-hour meeting between the airline's financial executives and bankers at the Waldorf Astoria Hotel in New York City.

The financing was one of the final hurdles for United to end its three-year bankruptcy stay.

The airline remains on pace to leave court protection by Feb. 1, said Kathryn Mikells, United's vice president and treasurer.

"From my perspective, they really validate the work the company's done over the past few years to improve our costs as well as our revenue performance," Mikells said.

"We are exiting from bankruptcy a much stronger company, poised to successfully compete in the marketplace."

The company reached a deal last year with JPMorgan Chase & Co., Citigroup Inc., and GE Capital for the six-year exit loan.

Monday's meetings were to launch the syndication of the loans, allowing other lenders to participate by taking a piece of the financing.

The airline also was heartened by the ratings provided Monday by Standard & Poor's and Moody's Investors Service. Analysts at both ratings houses were optimistic about the airline's future.

United faces challenges, including "high and volatile fuel prices and fierce competition from low-cost carriers in the U.S. domestic market" and a "highly leveraged financial profile," Standard & Poor's Philip Baggaley said in an analysis prepared for investors.

"These weaknesses are mitigated to some extent by United's extensive and well-positioned route system (providing good revenue potential, especially on international routes), and by reductions in labor costs and financial obligations achieved in bankruptcy," he said.

Baggaley's analysis notes that United's post-bankruptcy plan assumes oil prices of around $50 a barrel, although it is more likely that the airline will face prices around $60, he said. United should be able to make up some of the difference with higher fares, he said.

Standard & Poor's assigned the company's exit-financing debt a B+, with a recovery rating of 1, meaning it expects the airline to fully recover after bankruptcy. It also anticipates assigning the post-bankruptcy company a B rating with a stable outlook.

Moody's gave the exit-financing debt a B1 rating. The ratings outlook was judged stable.

A bankruptcy court hearing in Chicago on the airline's exit plan begins Jan. 18. It remains the final hurdle before Elk Grove Township-based United can leave bankruptcy, where it has operated since December 2002.

In the years since, United has cut $7 billion in spending, including dropping its pension programs and successfully seeking two rounds of pay and benefit cuts from workers.

Also Monday, United revised its estimate of losses for 2005 to $5.3 billion, up from $3.7 billion forecast in September, according to projections filed with securities regulators.

The airline projects net income of $11.6 billion this year, most of which results from accounting for prior years' losses. Net income is expected to drop to $517 million in 2007, but rise to $939 million by 2010.

United also has told the bankruptcy court judge that it is continuing efforts to reduce costs and control spending.

It has a tentative settlement with jurisdictions in California involving the assessed property values for some of its aircraft. The deal, involving tax credits given United, could save the carrier up to $15 million.

The carrier also will push back its planned purchase of up to 42 Airbus SAS planes to 2011.

"We don't need them right now, given efforts to significantly restructure our fleet," a United spokeswoman said.
 
Gordo was quoted as saying UAL needs all the prayers they can get.

"OF course, given his fierce pride in the Continental transformation, and his undisguised contempt for most of the airline's rivals, it's easy enough to understand why the boards of United, Delta and the rest have not come knocking. When I asked Mr. Bethune, for instance, what he would do right now if he were running United Airlines, which will still face plenty of problems even when it emerges from bankruptcy as it hopes to do in February, Mr. Bethune replied, "I think prayer would help."
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=69961&highlight=gordon+bethune

My opinion, FWIW, is that UAL will be the airine to watch this year. They have streamlined operations and a mountain of cash.
 
Cripes,
Gordon Bufoon was at the helm for 2 bankruptcies. I'd love to see UAL, DAL, or AMR now if they went through the same fiscal reorganization. Akin to Jack Welch who every year had the novel idea of getting rid of the bottom 10% of performers throughout his tenure at G.E. He also was in charge during the roaring 90s when a chipmunk could have performed as well. Both Buffoon and Welch left at the right time-millions intact.
 
UAL will be the airine to watch this year. They have streamlined operations and a mountain of cash.[/quote]


...and a @#$%load of dept....and fuel over $60 per barrel...I suppose a merger attempt a more likely scenario for an outcome with half a chance.
 
Maybe this wonderful company can start funding their own pensions that they pushed off on the rest of us. What a joke this place is.
 
thanks prussian go back to your LUV boat while we torpedo it starting in Denver.

Now, I would be getting called a bunch of names If I made a comment like that. :D
 
145 Lawndart said:
Mr Tool,

Check your facts. Gordon arrived after the bankruptcies. He turned around CAL without the help of Ch11.

OK, so he rolled in hot just after the CH.11s. Without a doubt, the best time to take over an organization. Greg Brenneman was the real brains and leadership behind the turnaround at CAL. Ol' Gordo could certainly slur his words. United will be fine, post bankruptcy. CAL, on the other hand.........
 
SWA/FO said:
Now, I would be getting called a bunch of names If I made a comment like that. :D

Don't worry, I'm sure all of his fellow UAL brothers will come on here and tell him to show some tact. I'll wait and see.:rolleyes:
 
canyonblue said:
Don't worry, I'm sure all of his fellow UAL brothers will come on here and tell him to show some tact. I'll wait and see.:rolleyes:

No need. Gup neatly redirected the torpedo at the launch point.
 
FDJ2 said:
Also Monday, United revised its estimate of losses for 2005 to $5.3 billion, up from $3.7 billion forecast in September, according to projections filed with securities regulators.

The airline projects net income of $11.6 billion this year, most of which results from accounting for prior years' losses. Net income is expected to drop to $517 million in 2007, but rise to $939 million by 2010.

Holy pancakes Batman! Anyone know how 11.6 Billion in income will affect the balance sheet? The $517 million in 2007 looks good to.

All this as SWA is forecasting $500 million more in fuel costs in '06.
 
WhiteCloud said:
Interesting article. All that talk and no where in the article did the word "profit" appear.



Holy Profit Picture, WhiteCloud!!!....That's what I'm talking about!!!!
 
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But don't worry UAL's management is requesting 17million shares of the company's new stock to distribute among themselves upon exit. That should help their pockets, if the stock does anything near what US as done the last 8 weeks.

Hey do the pilots get any of the new paper? LOL!!!
 
COpilot said:
But don't worry UAL's management is requesting 17million shares of the company's new stock to distribute among themselves upon exit. That should help their pockets, if the stock does anything near what US as done the last 8 weeks.

Hey do the pilots get any of the new paper? LOL!!!

Well, yes I guess. Some stock (that can be sold --- unlike the ESOP stock), a $550 million convertible note (allocation method not yet determined), and an additional 6% going into the B-fund (for a 15% total contribution) retroactive to last June. But, and I'm sure you feel the same way after experiencing CH11, I'll believe all of that when I actually see it. For now it is just print on paper.
 

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