UAL cuts capacity 4% Hows Jeff looking now?

[GuppyWN]

I was being serious but you can take it any way you like.

Gup

 

[bluefin]

We have just under 1500 total furloughs. Based on recent recalling, I would say only half of those are going to be available/willing to come back.

Additionally, the post does indicate half of the affected flights will be RJs.

"WE" when has UNITED been recalling, I must have missed my recall letter. The way things are going, there are going to be more UAL pilots joining us at the furloughed camp by the river!!

 

[On Your Six]

I think the summer schedule at Southwest is going to be very busy. I hate to hear what's going on at UAL/CAL. I thought it was just United that was the incredibly shrinking airline, looks like they brought that with them.

Half the domestic pull down will occur on 50 seaters, according to the question and answer part. And, they are increasing some international flying at the same time, although it looks like they won't be adding Cairo.

OYS

 

[whatitdoing?]

Jeff is pissed that we seem to have the upper hand in things. I'm sure he's irritated at us for winning the RJ ruling. United has raised their fares to match the increased fuel prices. Load factors are 90+ percent. They mention every dollar increase is equal to 100 million, but fail to say how much they get with an increase of 100 bucks a ticket. Jeff is going to threaten to park planes, furlough, and reduce capacity to bring fear to the pilot group. It's all bs in my opinion. We don't even have the staffing to get us through the summer. Throw in a thunderstorm or hurricane this summer, complete and absolute meltdown. They were planning to park the 500's anyways along with some United a/c with poor fuel performance. Why not spread doom and gloom? It worked with the fa's, mechanics, and dispatchers. Why not the pilots? It's up to us to change things. When we get our pay raises, work rules, and retirement back, all the other employee groups will see how the screwed up.

 

[Jetjockey]

"As a result of the capacity changes, for the full year 2011, we will reduce our domestic capacity by 1.5 to 2.5 percent compared with 2010, while increasing 2011 international capacity by 2.5 to 3.5 percent compared with last year. So for the full year 2011, our consolidated capacity will be about flat with what it was for 2010, rather than growing the 1 to 2 percent that we planned for the year."

As I read it, domestic growth down, international up. 50% of the domestic cuts will come from regional partners. Not a huge draw down for mainline, just reallocating to the international side.

 

[Jetjockey]

It's time to "take it back." I hope you do a better job than the Delta guys just did

Gup

Don't you have a SLI to worry about? I'd look carefully into Guadalupe holdings and that codeshare with Volaris before you display your high and mighty attitude. Karma can be a real bitch.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

It's time to "take it back." I hope you do a better job than the Delta guys just did

Gup

.......Says the PFT tool who's airline was a drag on the industry's good pay, benefits, and work rules, for nearly 3 decades.

 

[sstearns2]

Either UAL parks the RJs or we strike. Mainline pilots better not get furloughed on this. It's time for the teens to hit the streets

Do you have any idea how much money United would lose if they tried doing the 50 seat RJ routes with mainline airplanes? or how much revenue they would lose if they didn't provide the service at all?

In my opinion the main problem for the legacy carriers is that the government will issue an operating certificate to anyone who can meet the requirements. There's no thought given to balancing supply and demand so airlines can make money and provide stable, good paying jobs.

The furlough situation would be a lot better if Virgin America, Mesa Hawaii, Jet Blue, etc we never allowed to start up. Maintaining good paying jobs and decent retirements should be the goal.

The only advantage the newer airlines have is that they don't have to provide the pay and benefits that the legacy airlines do (or used to). That is not a brilliant business move or good for America, it's just ruins a lot of peoples lives (a lot of people we all know).

Cheers,
Scott

 

[Mr.B]

Do you have any idea how much money United would lose if they tried doing the 50 seat RJ routes with mainline airplanes? or how much revenue they would lose if they didn't provide the service at all?

In my opinion the main problem for the legacy carriers is that the government will issue an operating certificate to anyone who can meet the requirements. There's no thought given to balancing supply and demand so airlines can make money and provide stable, good paying jobs.

The furlough situation would be a lot better if Virgin America, Mesa Hawaii, Jet Blue, etc we never allowed to start up. Maintaining good paying jobs and decent retirements should be the goal.

The only advantage the newer airlines have is that they don't have to provide the pay and benefits that the legacy airlines do (or used to). That is not a brilliant business move or good for America, it's just ruins a lot of peoples lives (a lot of people we all know).

Cheers,
Scott

You mean like the kind of routes SWA does with their 737s? How much money are they loosing?

 

[On Your Six]

Do you have any idea how much money United would lose if they tried doing the 50 seat RJ routes with mainline airplanes? or how much revenue they would lose if they didn't provide the service at all?

In my opinion the main problem for the legacy carriers is that the government will issue an operating certificate to anyone who can meet the requirements. There's no thought given to balancing supply and demand so airlines can make money and provide stable, good paying jobs.

The furlough situation would be a lot better if Virgin America, Mesa Hawaii, Jet Blue, etc we never allowed to start up. Maintaining good paying jobs and decent retirements should be the goal.

The only advantage the newer airlines have is that they don't have to provide the pay and benefits that the legacy airlines do (or used to). That is not a brilliant business move or good for America, it's just ruins a lot of peoples lives (a lot of people we all know).

Cheers,
Scott

Scott,

A lot of the LA, SFO, and DEN stuff they currently fly with CR7s were flown with 737-300s. I should know, I was furloughed off of them. Then they dumped all 94 of them because they needed to streamline for the merger with CAL. They could put 737 sized mainline planes(maybe A319s) on current CR7 routes, and then put CR7s on some of the CRJ-50 routes, and that might help out. Tilton was thinking merger, and that is why he dumped the planes.


OYS

 

[sniper]

Scott,

A lot of the LA, SFO, and DEN stuff they currently fly with CR7s were flown with 737-300s. I should know, I was furloughed off of them. Then they dumped all 94 of them because they needed to streamline for the merger with CAL. They could put 737 sized mainline planes(maybe A319s) on current CR7 routes, and then put CR7s on some of the CRJ-50 routes, and that might help out. Tilton was thinking merger, and that is why he dumped the planes.


OYS

Tilton and Smisek...................New millenium Lorenzo style management...
United Continental Holdings = Texas Air of the 80s....
History is going to repeat its self. Build one Airline at the expense of the other.

 

[Flopgut]

United Continental Holdings = Texas Air of the 80s....
History is going to repeat its self.

History will repeat itself all right. There's going to be one huge, ugly strike.

 

[whatitdoing?]

History will repeat itself all right. There's going to be one huge, ugly strike.

Unfortunately I think you're right. I'm trying to get my house in order and planning for it. It's sad to see these management types getting in that have no clue how to "RUN" an airline.

 

[Flopgut]

You're right, no clue indeed. A bunch of empty suits.

They've lost an arbitration. They're going to continue to lose against the ruling as we hammer them with the details they continue to violate. (Violate flagrantly, I might add) The mediator is going to figure out they are not negotiating in good faith, if he hasn't already. We're going to get released.....

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Strike'em!!!! I'm ready to walk.

 

[bluechunks]

So for the full year 2011, our consolidated [i.e. mainline + express] capacity will be about flat with what it was for 2010...

For the first time in a long time, the "new" United is actually doing something rational since the real capacity cuts will occur at the gas-guzzler express carriers while overall mainline flying will apparently increase to compensate. In fact, overall mainline flying has to increase if about half of the stated domestic reductions are express while the consolidated capacity remains level. It's simply moving additional mainline aircraft into international markets.

In addition, UAL's action mirrors the same thing that DAL is doing by parking 50-seat RJ's and increasing mainline utilization so DAL's consolidated capacity is also approximately level even with RJ reductions.

 

[COpilot]

CAL's entire training department is over 60.

Shut the H$ll up! What airline do you really work for?

There are less than 20 of these guys left in any position at all on the whole list.Anyone who repeats anything this troll says is just passing on BS.

 

[contrail67]

For the first time in a long time, the "new" United is actually doing something rational since the real capacity cuts will occur at the gas-guzzler express carriers while overall mainline flying will apparently increase to compensate. In fact, overall mainline flying has to increase if about half of the stated domestic reductions are express while the consolidated capacity remains level. It's simply moving additional mainline aircraft into international markets.

In addition, UAL's action mirrors the same thing that DAL is doing by parking 50-seat RJ's and increasing mainline utilization so DAL's consolidated capacity is also approximately level even with RJ reductions.

Thank you...exactly. It is always nice to know someone on here has the ability to reason.

 

[Flopgut]

There are less than 20 of these guys left in any position at all on the whole list.

What airline do you work for?! What are you talking about?! There are about 600 guys over 60 at CAL alone. And yes, most of the training department is over 60.

 

[Flopgut]

For the first time in a long time, the "new" United is actually doing something rational since the real capacity cuts will occur at the gas-guzzler express carriers while overall mainline flying will apparently increase to compensate. In fact, overall mainline flying has to increase if about half of the stated domestic reductions are express while the consolidated capacity remains level. It's simply moving additional mainline aircraft into international markets.

In addition, UAL's action mirrors the same thing that DAL is doing by parking 50-seat RJ's and increasing mainline utilization so DAL's consolidated capacity is also approximately level even with RJ reductions.

I don't agree with your thesis. It sounds harmless enough, you're probably at least partially correct. But memos like this too often are what precede announcements of parking mainline airplanes. Mgt floats something like this first so the Stockholm Syndrom sufferers have something to cling to while they shout down the rest of us. It too often causes us all not to react. We can't afford that mistake anymore. How many mainline airplanes have to be parked before we become proactive?