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CHICAGO (Reuters) - United Airlines' parent, UAL Corp. , four months out of bankruptcy, must hone its focus on additional cost cuts or risk losing its advantage over airlines currently restructuring under court protection, industry experts say.

For now, the company, which slashed costs by $7 billion a year, has a competitive edge in the industry, these analysts say. But restructurings by rivals Delta Air Lines and Northwest Airlines under Chapter 11 of the bankruptcy code could make UAL's savings seem less impressive.


Delta aims to cut costs and increase revenue by $3 billion annually, while Northwest seeks savings of $2.5 billion a year. Cost-cutting is vital in the airline industry where stiff competition often forces carriers to sell tickets at a loss.

"United's cost advantage is slowly diminishing as other bankruptcies move ahead with new cost-cutting plans," DePaul University transportation expert Joe Schwieterman said of the No. 2 U.S. airline.

He said that perception has contributed to a slump in UAL stock since its February launch on Nasdaq. Shares in the company have shed over 20 percent since then, compared with a nearly 3 percent drop in the Amex airlines index .

US airlines, hit by pricey fuel and low-fare competition, lost some $35 billion between 2001 and 2005.

In the last year, however, major carriers have cut the number of seats for sale and imposed fare increases to offset fuel costs. Some analysts think UAL may be ripe for merger with another airline, which could further cut market capacity.

Nevertheless, energy prices remain the primary menace for UAL and its rivals.

In its reorganization plan, UAL predicted an average oil price, directly linked to the price of jet fuel, of $50 a barrel over 5 years after its February bankruptcy exit.

NYNEX crude futures traded above $72 a barrel on Friday and haven't traded below $50 a barrel in a year.

UNIQUE CHALLENGES

Unlike major airlines that attempt direct competition directly with low-cost carriers like Southwest Airlines and JetBlue Airways , UAL courts passengers willing to pay more for in-flight perks such as food, drink and leg room.

This strategy presents UAL with a tough test, as it limits the places where expenses can be trimmed.

"My concern about United ... is that they still have a lot of work ahead of them to further reduce their unit costs structure," said Calyon Securities analyst Ray Neidl.

"It's going to be a little bit trickier," he said.

Rather than dilute services, the airline must control costs by streamlining operations and outsourcing. Last month, for example, UAL said it would consolidate its airport operations and cargo divisions.

"We lowered our unit costs by 20 percent, excluding fuel, and raised our productivity by 27 percent," said UAL's Chief Executive Glenn Tilton in a speech on Thursday to the American Chamber of Commerce in Japan.

"We have used the tools available to us to create a competitive platform for the future," he said.

MERGER OUTLOOK

As UAL neared its bankruptcy exit-- one of the largest corporate reorganizations in U.S. history -- speculation swirled that the carrier was ripe for merger with another airline. Tilton, himself, fueled the speculation by noting industry overcapacity and the benefits of consolidation.

While the CEO has denied that UAL is actively seeking a merger partner, some remain unconvinced.

"It's very clear the senior management wants to peddle it," said airline consultant Michael Boyd. "(Tilton) wants to engineer it into a merger."

One industry source familiar with airline planning said UAL has explored merger possibilities with Delta and Continental Airlines . UAL believes Continental would be a better fit operationally but Delta's huge Atlanta hub makes that carrier an attractive option, the source said.

Any proposed merger would have to clear U.S. regulatory and antitrust hurdles. In recent years, the government has approved airline deals in which one company was likely to liquidate, including last year's merger between bankrupt US Airways and America West Airlines to form a new US Airways .

UAL's attempt to merge with US Airways in a $4.3 billion cash deal failed in 2001 over government competition concerns.

"There's a buzz out there on United and Continental. United is looking hard at Delta, too," the source said.

(Additional reporting by John Crawley)

Copyright 2006 Reuters
 
I gues UAL doesn't remember much about their attempt to merge with scareways and the government's lack of keeness towards the merger.
 
I am sure some certain mid 80's band-aid hires at CAL are a little squirmy this morning.
 
coogebeachhotel said:
I am sure some certain mid 80's band-aid hires at CAL are a little squirmy this morning.

Fat chance... a lot are retiring, for one thing. And, I don't think you see many UAL people with their chests all puffed out, waiting for a chance to scab-bait anymore - I think it's a little difficult for them to look in the morning bathroom mirrors anymore.
 
What's the problem??? All the co. has to do is go back to the employees and blackmail them into more concessions. I mean, that's what CEOs and executive scum are good at. Vote or we will liquidate. What's another 10%? Or 20% Or 30%.
 
I hope this doesn't happen because I would have to change my Avatar again. :beer: Unless they kept the CAL uniform.
 
A ual / cal merger would be a true mess, the costs would skyrocket if you look at simply fleet types...

CAL -----------------UAL
737-3/5/7/8/9 -------A320 series with some 737- 3/5
757 2/3 (RR powerd) -757 (Pratt powered)
767 2/4 -------------767 3 (not sure of motors)
777 (GE) ------------777 (Pratt I think)
---------------------747-400

MX costs would sky rocket, so would training and just about everthing else.

The route maps would look good, but there is a huge amount of over lap.

EWR vs IAD
CLE vs ORD (I know not in the same league but its used as relief for EWR)
(and the last thing CAL wants is a dogfight with AA)
DEN - The Mid-continent hub was made obselete with the advent of the trans-con capable single aisle jet (IE 737-300 and 757) When all the airlines had was 737-200 and DC-9 full transcons with low capacity were imposible unless you put a DC-10 on it. Plus IAH serves most of the "Points south" flying and handles a lot of the connections.

SFO--- OK CAL wants west coast presence... but I think there are better ways than a full blown merger with UAL to get it.
 
It's almost common knowledge around here that CAL wants to go it alone -- look how many a/c they are receiving that have no commonality with UAL.

UAL, OTOH, hasn't placed an order for new a/c in a long time (pre 9-11?)

I think if DAL and NWA get together, though, there may not be a choice.
 
flatspin7 said:
A ual / cal merger would be a true mess, the costs would skyrocket if you look at simply fleet types...

CAL -----------------UAL
737-3/5/7/8/9 -------A320 series with some 737- 3/5
757 2/3 (RR powerd) -757 (Pratt powered)
767 2/4 -------------767 3 (not sure of motors)
777 (GE) ------------777 (Pratt I think)
---------------------747-400

MX costs would sky rocket, so would training and just about everthing else.

The route maps would look good, but there is a huge amount of over lap.

EWR vs IAD
CLE vs ORD (I know not in the same league but its used as relief for EWR)
(and the last thing CAL wants is a dogfight with AA)
DEN - The Mid-continent hub was made obselete with the advent of the trans-con capable single aisle jet (IE 737-300 and 757) When all the airlines had was 737-200 and DC-9 full transcons with low capacity were imposible unless you put a DC-10 on it. Plus IAH serves most of the "Points south" flying and handles a lot of the connections.

SFO--- OK CAL wants west coast presence... but I think there are better ways than a full blown merger with UAL to get it.

Mx costs would be the same as they are now if nothing changes. But other consolidation factors such as HQ, ground servicing, and favorable changes to debt structures would more than make up for this. And I am sure certain fleet types would go Dodo. Revenue would go up as less competition in market.
 
Overlapping hubs would not allow a large merger probably. CAL and DL have NYC as a major overlapping hub.(CAL has EWR and DL has JFK and the Delta Shuttle at LGA) I can see NW and DL (even with different A/C types they could still have a joint large order for new planes for both) possibly, and CAL and UAL together too. It would all fit together like a puzzle for the route maps. That is how USAir and AWA got approved.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
If DAL and NWA get together then CAL's hand will be forced to merge with UAL. Straight from Larry himself.

Cheers
 
Plug said:
If DAL and NWA get together then CAL's hand will be forced to merge with UAL. Straight from Larry himself.

Cheers

He also said: "within a year after their merger" and "surviving carrier will be UAL".
 
whoever it's with UAL will be the surviving company. Also CAL can't make a move with out NWA's approval, NWA still holds the "golden share".
 
I doubt jetblue....

My money is on CAL.

We shutdown MIA and really cutback on the SUD AMERICA flying. It will be interesting.

Don't really see who DAL would work, not sure where that came from other than Boyd just rambling on, and on.

Lots of talk at UAL about maybe buying Polar's 747-400's.
 

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