UAL/CAL Contract 2015

[densoo]

This is Capt. John Prater with a BOD Update on October 22, 2010.
Congratulations to our Air Tran pilots, who reached a tentative agreement yesterday with management after more than five years of contract negotiations.

The company has got two money saving contracts and they've already penciled in 70 seaters out of Houston and elsewhere for the first quarter so they'll be ignoring CAL's scope.

Settle in. It could be a while.

On the positive side, that's a lot of retro.

 

[luv2fly]

Retro !!!!! lol!!!!! Now that's funny. I imagine you will see a "bonus" ; no retro. At some point in drawn out negotiations the retro check gets to big for the company to be able to write.

 

[mamba20]

I'm ready, willing and looking forward to a strike. Enough of this crap. Now they are violating what is left of our POS contract? No, retro, no massive work rule improvments, no massive pay raise and no scope will be a NO vote and a YES vote to strike.

 

[ualdriver]

The company has got two money saving contracts and they've already penciled in 70 seaters out of Houston and elsewhere for the first quarter so they'll be ignoring CAL's scope.

Wait until "we" start doing some of "their" flying with "our" equipment and "they" start doing some of "our" flying with "their" equipment. That should throw some more gasoline on the fire until we get our CBA and SLI.

 

[Ex737Driver]

Retro !!!!! lol!!!!! Now that's funny. I imagine you will see a "bonus" ; no retro. At some point in drawn out negotiations the retro check gets to big for the company to be able to write.

No retro, no scope, NO UNITED!!!!!

 

[calfo]

Don't know about you, but those of us with no A fund are ready to pull the tent poles out of this ********************house and walk, if we don't get what we want...

I've been here 12 years now, and it's always been "...next contract..." or "...just you wait...", "... fly it, then grieve it..."

Screw this. I'm ready to light the torches and burn the place down.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

It they think they are going to outsource more...BURN IT DOWN END IT NOW!

 

[mamba20]

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[jonjuan]

Don't know about you, but those of us with no A fund are ready to pull the tent poles out of this ********************house and walk, if we don't get what we want...

I've been here 12 years now, and it's always been "...next contract..." or "...just you wait...", "... fly it, then grieve it..."

Screw this. I'm ready to light the torches and burn the place down.

So, what's your "plan B" after torching? Wal-mart?

 

[whatitdoing?]

Don't know about you, but those of us with no A fund are ready to pull the tent poles out of this ********************house and walk, if we don't get what we want...

I've been here 12 years now, and it's always been "...next contract..." or "...just you wait...", "... fly it, then grieve it..."

Screw this. I'm ready to light the torches and burn the place down.

I'm with you. You bring the gas, I'll bring the marshmallows.

 

[whatitdoing?]

So, what's your "plan B" after torching? Wal-mart?

That's the problem. You settle with..."Well, it could be worse". That's why we fail every single time. Over and Over......

 

[jonjuan]

That's the problem. You settle with..."Well, it could be worse". That's why we fail every single time. Over and Over......

But seriously, what's your contingency plan post fire bombing? Management knows this, which is part of their leverage.

 

[Jetjockey]

But seriously, what's your contingency plan post fire bombing? Management knows this, which is part of their leverage.

New careers. If scope is further relaxed, this career goes further in the toilet. You can have it. I'm not spending half the month and holidays away for the crap I've endured.

 

[ualdriver]

So, what's your "plan B" after torching? Wal-mart?

Yeah, because most pilots, if they're not flying, are only intellectually capable of working at Walmart....

If we lose our battle with scope, we may as well burn it down. We have the RJ's literally putting thousands of airline pilots either on the street or being massively underemployed at low 5 figure salaries at the bottom end. We have Aer Lingus at the top end threatening to do the same. I think for most "younger" guys who have 15-25 years left, they'd be better off starting over in a different career or another airline then getting squeezed by both ends with a resulting slow death which is what further losses in scope would do.

 

[FlyForFood_NOT]

jonjuan..

grow some balls..
It's people like you that vote YES in fear of possibly being faced with a thought of strike and having to get a different job.. if that's what it takes, that's what it takes - burn it down..

Our CEO (and that's not including Tilton and all others from management) is making 15.5 million on this deal (1mil salary, 8.5mil long term, 4mil merger bonus..) and you're still working on concessionary contract that expired 2 years ago!!
grow some.. seriously, or you'll never get enywhere in this industry.

 

[STINKER]

Yeah, because most pilots, if they're not flying, are only intellectually capable of working at Walmart....

If we lose our battle with scope, we may as well burn it down. We have the RJ's literally putting thousands of airline pilots either on the street or being massively underemployed at low 5 figure salaries at the bottom end. We have Aer Lingus at the top end threatening to do the same. I think for most "younger" guys who have 15-25 years left, they'd be better off starting over in a different career or another airline then getting squeezed by both ends with a resulting slow death which is what further losses in scope would do.

Said very well..!

TSA Alum Current Jetlinker

 

[Jetjockey]

A pitchfork in one hand, a torch in the other.................waiting on the signal.

 

[mamba20]

I'm tired of waiting to burn it down. I wish we could start right now. Another career if need be but I've worked to hard and earned to much to let be pissed away by a bunch of company guy yes voting weenies. Give me and everyone else what we have EARNED or else your worlds biggest airline will take the worlds biggest tumble.

 

[sstearns2]

Yeah, because most pilots, if they're not flying, are only intellectually capable of working at Walmart....

If we lose our battle with scope, we may as well burn it down. We have the RJ's literally putting thousands of airline pilots either on the street or being massively underemployed .....QUOTE]

What qualifies someone to be worthy of the title 'airline pilot'? I'm qualified on an 85000 pound jet making six figures. Am I an 'airline pilot'?

Cheers,
Scott

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Am I an 'airline pilot'?

Cheers,
Scott

Yes you can validate yourself as an airline pilot.

Most airline pilots doubt their abilities to do anything else and as a result are insecure resulting in their complete lack of appetite to stand up for themselves and others when needed.

 

[FlyForFood_NOT]

I think it's more like 'the pilots result in their lack of appetite to stand up' in fear that others might step over the picket line and take their place if they do opt to take the the stand..

I think here at CAL (and UAL) there are too many very, very pissed off pilots (that i have flown with on daily basis) that that fear doesn't really matter as much anymore. A lot of people have had enough of BS here.

I'm standing by, ready..
Bring it on

 

[densoo]

A lot of people have had enough of BS here.

A lot may have, but walking through the airports it's sometimes hard to find anyone wearing an ALPA pin. It's hard to figure out exactly what's going on. CAL pilots are gearing up for the most important moment of the rest of their careers and the silent majority seem to have checked out of the hotel.

 

[bluefin]

Yeah, because most pilots, if they're not flying, are only intellectually capable of working at Walmart....

If we lose our battle with scope, we may as well burn it down. We have the RJ's literally putting thousands of airline pilots either on the street or being massively underemployed .....QUOTE]

What qualifies someone to be worthy of the title 'airline pilot'? I'm qualified on an 85000 pound jet making six figures. Am I an 'airline pilot'?

Cheers,
Scott

I and many have been furloughed twice and don't fly any more(not by choice) are we, "are airline pilots?"

 

[densoo]

CHICAGO (TheStreet) -- The merger between Delta(DAL) and Northwest may have created the false impression that it is easy to put two airlines together.

The United (UAL)/Continental merger could well cause that concept to be rethought.

etc.

http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/stor...FREE&cm_ite=NA

 

[skywdriver]

Yeah, because most pilots, if they're not flying, are only intellectually capable of working at Walmart....

If we lose our battle with scope, we may as well burn it down. We have the RJ's literally putting thousands of airline pilots either on the street or being massively underemployed .....QUOTE]

What qualifies someone to be worthy of the title 'airline pilot'? I'm qualified on an 85000 pound jet making six figures. Am I an 'airline pilot'?

Cheers,
Scott

Scott,

If you would rather be qualified on something 5 times that amount making 2.5 times the money, then join the fight. If not, then your post is irrelevant here, because that is what this discussion is about. What are you going to say to the guy who takes your job because he says he will be happy to be qualified flying an 85,000 lb jet for half your pay? That is the point here. I don't know why all the regional guys are taking this as an attack. You are outsourced, and can be gone or replaced with the stroke of a pen. Why wouldn't we want the flying back at mainline? Because it is your job? I don't think so. You were just hired for a period of time defined in a contract to fly someone else's passengers. Period.

Cheers.

 

[mamba20]

piss on united

 

[Jonny Sacko]

Piss on you, you little turd.

 

[RSRVWINDSURFR]

Scott,

If you would rather be qualified on something 5 times that amount making 2.5 times the money, then join the fight. If not, then your post is irrelevant here, because that is what this discussion is about. What are you going to say to the guy who takes your job because he says he will be happy to be qualified flying an 85,000 lb jet for half your pay? That is the point here. I don't know why all the regional guys are taking this as an attack. You are outsourced, and can be gone or replaced with the stroke of a pen. Why wouldn't we want the flying back at mainline? Because it is your job? I don't think so. You were just hired for a period of time defined in a contract to fly someone else's passengers. Period.

Cheers.

Excellent post!