UAL Bases by seniority

[WolfManPack]

Looking to find out how senior the United bases rank. I'm guessing IAD is one of the more junior bases but that is purely a guess.​

In case any of the UAL guys are curious, currently IAH is the junior base but that wasn't the case until just recently when management shifted flying to IAH when before it was EWR.​

Also, what bases equipment do you guys think will get fenced on your side and for how long, etc?​

Thanks!​

 

[pilotgolfer]

I was sort of curious what would happen if a UAL furloughee takes a recall to the CAL side. Would there be any type of seatlock before he could bid back to a UAL domicile...ie getting recalled to the 737 in EWR and bidding back to A320 at IAD.

I know this is putting the cart ahead of the horse for now.

 

[WolfManPack]

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I was sort of curious what would happen if a UAL furloughee takes a recall to the CAL side. Would there be any type of seatlock before he could bid back to a UAL domicile...ie getting recalled to the 737 in EWR and bidding back to A320 at IAD.

I know this is putting the cart ahead of the horse for now.

I wish I knew the answer to that question as I'm curious to know if the CAL guys accepting recall will be seatlocked as well. Some have indicated that since the company is going to put you where they need you anyway (despite you bid preferences on this bid), that the seat lock will not apply.

If I can find out the answer for you I'll let you know but for now there are MANY questions unanswered.

Rumor has it that the company is going to backfill mainly on the EWR 756 so there is a good chance that is where the majority of recalls / new hires will go. On the bid that had the 15 recalls I remember the most junior folks were also awarded the EWR 756 so there may be some truth to that rumor. I think the way of thinking by the company is they expect the most movement out of that sub-base so they will train us first to backfill that position.

Also, to clarify a few other points that have been discussed on this and other message boards, this latest bid did NOT include the original 15 recalls so the 145 positions open on this bid are in addition to the 15 previous. That means that there will be more positions available for UAL pilots.

I have no idea what the rate of acceptance will be on our side but I'm sure that it won't be 100% so that will make even more positions available to the UAL pilots as well. If I had to guess at this point I would say that only about 15 to 25% will defer due to the economy, uncertainty, etc.

The snap shot for the CAL bid comes out today so we'll have a better idea of where recalls are going to go later today I hope.

Regards and look forward to working with the UAL pilots in the near future.

 

[pilotgolfer]

It also becomes a factor for the senior furloughees when they make their decision to bypass. If they are going to be put in EWR, that might be enough to make people pass until they can get to one of the UAL bases.

I am very junior at UAL and live in DC. Driving to EWR is do-able, but I would need more info on what the Reserve rules will be. I'd imagine that RSV on the 757 would be a lot easier than RSV on the 737 (based on what little I know about the long call / short call).

 

[UALRATT]

I have no idea what the rate of acceptance will be on our side but I'm sure that it won't be 100% so that will make even more positions available to the UAL pilots as well. If I had to guess at this point I would say that only about 15 to 25% will defer due to the economy, uncertainty, etc.

Rumor? Don't know and I don't really dig them but I'll throw this one out there. Heard only 15 out of 120 CAL pilots accepted recall to date.

 

[Plug]

Remember the CAL can ADD positions to a bid just not decrease. They may be planning for the inevitable work rule change from the JCBA that would probably hit the EWR 756 BES the most with IRO's working both ways, and no more building lines flying 15 days in a row, etc.

 

[Chairman]

All bases right now take about 11 years to hold on reserve on the bus as a FO!

 

[eaglesview]

Denver is our most senior base by a good amount. I would think after the merger it will go very senior as CO pilots that still live there choose to give up the commute. I would guess the same will happen in CLE assuming that is a senior base for CO.

 

[WolfManPack]

Denver is our most senior base by a good amount. I would think after the merger it will go very senior as CO pilots that still live there choose to give up the commute. I would guess the same will happen in CLE assuming that is a senior base for CO.

What is UAL's most junior base?

Thanks.

 

[ATRCA]

Rumor? Don't know and I don't really dig them but I'll throw this one out there. Heard only 15 out of 120 CAL pilots accepted recall to date.

This cannot be true. Simply, no furloughed pilots have been contacted by the company, not from this bid or the previous. This rumor is just that....a rumor.

 

[eaglesview]

What is UAL's most junior base?

Thanks.

IAD followed closely by ORD and SFO

 

[pilotgolfer]

What is UAL's most junior base?

Thanks.

In 2007-2008 when the hiring was going on...IAD was junior followed pretty closely by SFO.

 

[WolfManPack]

IAD followed closely by ORD and SFO

Wow...I'm surprised that SFO is/was junior. I guess it's the cost of living. ORD I can see and even IAD (cost of living) but I would not have guessed SFO being junior.

What kind of international flying/equipment do you guys have out of IAD?

Thanks to both posters for answering this question. Reason I'm so curious is that while we currently live in Houston, we're seriously contemplating moving back east and hence the reason for wanting to know the type of equipment that UAL has been flying out of that base.

We're actually considering moving to Raleigh and commuting to IAD but I would only want to commute to larger equipment flying international stuff.

Thanks again!

 

[eaglesview]

IAD has 320's , 757/767 and the 777. Internationally it is mostly Europe with some South America and Asia

 

[WolfManPack]

IAD has 320's , 757/767 and the 777. Internationally it is mostly Europe with some South America and Asia

I assume the flying on the 756 is a pretty good mix of domestic and international? On the CAL side they have traditionally used the smallest possible aircraft for anything they do (eg. LAX to Hawaii in a 737 and lots of EWR to Europe in the 757) but I'm under the impression that United and Delta have used the 757 to do quite a bit of domestic as well (esp. transcons).

Don't get me wrong, we have the 756 doing SOME domestic but the 737 does the lion's share of domestic and then some.

Hope the new company utilizes widebody aircraft to fly the longer routes but that's just me.

Also, I'm guessing that the 319 is junior in IAD then the 756 and 777 respectively?

Thanks again guys. Just trying to plan long term here as I think it's a very good possibility they are going to ship me back to EWR on the 756 rather than being able to hold IAH anything. So if they do that, we are trying to have a plan "B" in place.

 

[eaglesview]

Our 757 do a good amount of domestic flying. Off hand I can not think of any international flying they do unless you are counting Hawaii or the carribbean as international. All of the Europe flying in that fleet is on the 767 to the best of my knowledge. I am not on that fleet but I think that info is correct

Your assunptions on the fleet seniority within the base are correct. IAD has a very good reputation as a base, you'll like it there.

 

[Furloughed80]

How are the SFO 767/757 trips structured? Mainly domestic? Flights to Hawaii? LAX turns?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Denver is our most senior base by a good amount. I would think after the merger it will go very senior as CO pilots that still live there choose to give up the commute. I would guess the same will happen in CLE assuming that is a senior base for CO.

Wondering if there will be a fence to bid new domiciles or will the senior guys at UAL and CAL get to force out the junior guys right away....

IOW, for a junior DEN based UAL pilot... how soon should be prepare to move his family.... or start the commuting life...

One of the best "deals" UNICAL offers the CAL guys is nice domciles.... Depending on CAL seniority a pilot could say "Hey honey instead of living in HOU/EWR... how does DEN, IAD, LA, SFO or SEA sound?



Seniority has its rights, perks.... and privileges!!

 

[eaglesview]

Wondering if there will be a fence to bid new domiciles or will the senior guys at UAL and CAL get to force out the junior guys right away....

IOW, for a junior DEN based UAL pilot... how soon should be prepare to move his family.... or start the commuting life...

One of the best "deals" UNICAL offers the CAL guys is nice domciles.... Depending on CAL seniority a pilot could say "Hey honey instead of living in HOU/EWR... how does DEN, IAD, LA, SFO or SEA sound?



Seniority has its rights, perks.... and privileges!!

Time will tell. Nobody knows what is going to be negotiated. Remember that one persons garbage is another's treasure. I will welcome the chance to get back to the northeast and bid EWR.

 

[rumrunner300]

Wondering if there will be a fence to bid new domiciles or will the senior guys at UAL and CAL get to force out the junior guys right away....

IOW, for a junior DEN based UAL pilot... how soon should be prepare to move his family.... or start the commuting life...

One of the best "deals" UNICAL offers the CAL guys is nice domciles.... Depending on CAL seniority a pilot could say "Hey honey instead of living in HOU/EWR... how does DEN, IAD, LA, SFO or SEA sound?



Seniority has its rights, perks.... and privileges!!

Nice try flamebait.

Domicile assignments are just like seat/fleet assignments, the only way to be "forced" out is if the company reduces the size. If the company subsequently increases the body count, then seniority is the rule and there is no right of first refusal.

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