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UAL Asks for Time for Reorganization Plan
Saturday April 9, 12:06 pm ET



CHICAGO (Reuters) - UAL Corp., parent of bankrupt United Airlines, has asked a federal bankruptcy court for another two months to file its bankruptcy reorganization plan without interference from other parties.

In documents filed with the court on Friday UAL asked for an extension of the so-called exclusivity period through July 1. The current exclusivity period is due to expire April 30.

The No. 2 U.S. carrier, in bankruptcy since December 2002, has been given previous extensions.

"An extension of the exclusive periods will enable United to continue its hard work and implement many of its restructuring initiatives," UAL said in the documents.

United, along with the rest of the industry, has been battered by soaring fuel costs, weak revenue and competition from low-cost rivals.

Also on Friday, the union representing the carrier's flight attendants said UAL's management is "refusing to meet the same rigorous standards that employees are held to." The Association of Flight Attendants warned the airline that it would terminate its collective bargaining agreement in 20 days if it did not fix the problem.

The flight attendants in January ratified a five-year labor deal that would save the airline $131 million annually. The deal cut employee wages by 9.5 percent.

As part of its agreement with UAL, the AFA retained the right to audit the company's numbers to ensure that employee sacrifices were equitable.

"It's completely absurd that we wouldn't be meeting our cost savings target on any level," UAL spokeswoman Jean Medina said. "We still need a significant amount of labor savings."

The airline has said it needs to secure $725 million in annual labor savings to exit Chapter 11.
 
Allright already!

It's been 2 years and 4 months, how much more time can they possible need? Maybe they just intend to stay in Ch. 11 forever. I know that the judge will give them whatever they want but this would be more interesting if other groups were allowed to enter the fray. Maybe if the judge stopped granting extensions there would be a sense of urgency and they would get it done and get back into the real world you have to pay your bills.
 
What a joke! UAL mgmt has to be saying behind closed doors "I can't believe that idiot (judge) is letting us get away with this"
 
Hey, hey, hey. Give UAL some time. They haven't ruined my parent's free travel through AMR yet.
 
Dennis Milller said:
employee sacrifices were equitable.

"It's completely absurd that we wouldn't be meeting our cost savings target on any level," UAL spokeswoman Jean Medina said. "We still need a significant amount of labor savings."

The airline has said it needs to secure $725 million in annual labor savings to exit Chapter 11.


Translation: We have no business plan so once again we must rely on our employees to finance our continued vacation in the bankruptcy court.

I certainly hope the unions all tell Mr. Tilton that the concesson stand is closed. After all, I thought the last round of flesh donation from UAL labor was the last "piece" needed to reorganize.
 
De ja vu all over again!

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/business/article/0,1299,DRMN_4_3687142,00.html

United looking at home stretch


Battles await as airline tries to exit bankruptcy

By Chris Walsh, Rocky Mountain News
April 9, 2005

There will be battles over pensions and wages, tense negotiations and high-profile court hearings.

In the next few months, United Airlines faces a flurry of challenges as it seeks to cut $2 billion in annual expenses and emerge from what will be nearly three years of operating under bankruptcy protection.

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"We're enthusiastic about the prog- ress they've made," said Bill Repko, managing director at J.P. Morgan Chase & Co., United's lead provider of bankruptcy financing. "I think the challenges are not to be underestimated, but within reasonable expectations, they are likely to be met."

Some industry watchers, though, think the process could drag on much longer, while others aren't convinced the nation's second-biggest airline will make it through at all.

United, the largest carrier in Denver, with 6,000 employees, still must resolve a contentious battle with its workers over pensions - an issue several industry experts say could present the biggest obstacle to its emergence from bankruptcy.

The airline continues to hemorrhage money, losing $664 million in the fourth quarter alone as soaring fuel prices, intense competition and low fares hammer the industry.

Wall Street remains skeptical that United's business plan will resurrect the carrier's financial condition. The airline already has missed several dates to emerge from what is now its 29th month in bankruptcy.

"The rumors of an imminent emergence this fall are just flat hooey," said Bill Brandt, president of Chicago-based restructuring firm Development Specialists Inc. "They don't have their house in order, they aren't making money, and it's becoming clear that the business model they've chosen is the wrong one."

Long way from profitability

Since filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in December 2002, United has wrangled about $5 billion in annual cost cuts through wage and benefit reductions and a host of operational changes, including the creation last year of a new low-cost carrier called Ted.

The moves helped United - a unit of Chicago-based UAL Corp. - shift from a $2.8 billion loss in 2003 to a $1.6 billion loss last year.

Although that marks a significant financial improvement, the airline remains a long way from profitability.

Things aren't looking much better this year. In February, United lost an average of $10 million a day, or $291 million for the month.

Until the airline gets closer to profitability, it likely will remain in bankruptcy, analysts said.

"They have to show they can break even or at least that they are cash-flow positive and can pay their own bills," said Stuart Klaskin, a principal at KKC Aviation Consulting in Miami. "I'm not certain they're at that point. They need to be much closer to self-sustainment to get out."

Part of United's plan to emerge involves shifting more of its planes to Ted, continuing to cut costs and increasing its more profitable international routes while scaling back on domestic capacity.

This week, United further reduced expenses by announcing the closure of a 400-employee call center in Washington. The airline also decided to stop contracting with Air Wisconsin Airlines Corp. for United Express commuter flights, which also will lower costs.

Challenging issues remain

Some of the airline's larger challenges will play out in coming months as United looks to enter the home stretch of its stint in bankruptcy:

Leases: United is trying to restructure contracts it has for leases on 100 aircraft. The airline says it is paying above-market rates in a time when prices have dropped because of industry turmoil. United hasn't determined how much it would save by renegotiating leases but said the move is vital to its emergence from bankruptcy.

Pensions: United insists it needs to eliminate its four employee pension plans and replace them with 401(k)-style retirement plans, a move that would save the airline $640 million annually. The carrier's union groups, however, vehemently oppose the idea, and several have threatened to strike.

"We will not reach any agreement with United that includes pension termination," said Joe Tiberi, spokesman for the International Association of Machinists, which represents nearly 30,000 active and retired United baggage handlers and customer service agents. "We're trying to work with United to find a middle ground. But if pensions are terminated, we are prepared to strike."

Concessions: United still is trying to get two of its largest unions to agree to wage and benefit reductions. The airline says it needs about $725 million in such cuts from all its worker groups. Earlier this year, it came to agreements with pilots and flight attendants that will save $311 million annually. United also cemented similar concessions with two smaller unions.

But it wasn't able to get concessions from the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association, which represents 7,000 United mechanics and aircraft cleaners, and the IAM.

United received court permission to impose temporary wage reductions on the groups through May 31.

Financing: United still needs to secure financing to exit bankruptcy. The airline said it has offers from four institutions, but the financing depends on whether United is successful in meeting cost-savings goals in its business plan.

External factors: All airlines have been battered by intense competition that has kept fares low. High oil prices and excess domestic capacity also have hit the industry's bottom line, leading most carriers to post financial losses last year.

"We've identified a number of things we need to finish to exit bankruptcy," said Jean Medina, a spokeswoman for United. "There is significant work that needs to continue between now and then."

Long-term picture

Some observers are skeptical about when - and if - United will get out of bankruptcy.

The airline initially had hoped to emerge in the latter half of 2003 but subsequently has pushed the date back several times. And while there's little argument that United has made strides by cutting costs and reorganizing part of its operations, some observers say the airline hasn't truly restructured its business to maintain long-term financial health.

"What United doesn't have is a morale problem or a service problem," said Mike Boyd, an Evergreen-based aviation consultant. "They excel in those areas, and even people at other airlines would probably tell you that. But their strategic direction is as weak as can be."

United, some analyst say, remains saddled with high costs and can't compete effectively on domestic routes with discount carriers such as Denver-based Frontier. The airline also risks immeasurable damage as its relationship with workers dissolves over wage and pension cuts.

Even if United eventually does emerge from bankruptcy, some question its potential to succeed in the long term, especially if it is still losing heaps of money.

"A victory can't be declared until a couple years post-bankruptcy," aviation consultant Klaskin said. "Getting out of bankruptcy is like the first day out of a detox clinic. Congratulations, you got through the course. Now you gotta live your life that way. I don't think United, as structured now, can live its life that way."

Checking the calendar

Important upcoming dates for United Airlines:

April 30: Expiration of United's exclusive right to file a reorganization plan with the bankruptcy court. As it stands now, after April 30 other parties will be able to file their own reorganization plans, although United is seeking to extend the exclusivity period. It has requested an April 22 hearing on the matter.

May 11: Trial date for United and its unions on pensions issues. United says it needs to eliminate its worker pension plans to emerge from bankruptcy, while the airline's unions strongly oppose such moves. If United can't come to an agreement with the unions, it will go to trial May 11.

May 31: Temporary concessions imposed on two of United's largest unions - the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association and the International Association of Machinists - expire. Sometime this fall: United plans to emerge from bankruptcy.
 
To UAL management:

Get off your a$$es and do what you're paid (way too much, i might add), to do! "Rape your labor" is NOT a valid business plan.
 
Take your silver spoon MBA's and cram em UAL MGMT.

The only reason UAL continue's to operate is the sacrifice of their employees on the altar of executive incompetence.
 
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/business/article/0,1299,DRMN_4_3687226,00.html

United flight attendants want details of givebacks by salaried employees


By Lynne Marek, Bloomberg News
April 9, 2005

United Airlines' flight attendants, who agreed in January to $131 million of concessions, threatened to terminate that contract in 20 days unless the company provides details on givebacks by salaried employees.

The Association of Flight Attendants union said in a statement Friday that some concessions by salaried and management employees may be "illusory." The union represents 21,000 attendants at UAL Corp.'s United.

Chicago-based airline called the union's statement "absurd."

The attendants would be going back on their January vote to accept a 9.5 percent pay cut after United said concessions were needed to help lift the carrier out of bankruptcy. United, the world's second-largest airline, is seeking $725 million in annual pay and benefit givebacks from employees, as well as savings of $639 million by scrapping pension plans.

"It's just not going to work if they don't follow through on their end of the bargain," union spokeswoman Sara Nelson Dela Cruz said in an interview.

The attendants' union still is negotiating with the carrier over the possible termination of employees' pension plans. United plans a filing with the bankruptcy court on Monday seeking to terminate the plans, starting a 30-day countdown to a hearing on the issue. The union has objected to ending the pensions.

"This is a deliberately disingenuous effort by the AFA to undermine the cost-savings progress made to date," United spokeswoman Jean Medina said in an e-mailed message. "This is absolutely absurd at this point when we should be working toward a consensual solution to the pension issue."

The union said it can end the new contract, after giving the company 20 days to correct the problem, under a clause that requires all labor groups to contribute a certain portion of the savings.

Management isn't providing data to show how productivity improvements are included in $112 million in expected savings from nonunion, salaried workers, said Nelson Dela Cruz.

The union said that if it scraps the concessionary agreement, the previous contract would be back in force.

United told employees in a message earlier Friday that it's recalling 500 flight attendants because of an expected rise in passengers and because of attrition that includes some recalled attendants choosing not to return, Medina said. After the latest recall, United by August still expects to have 1,600 attendants left on lists for being called back to work.
 
There needs to be some sort of law in place to limit how long companies can stay in bankrupcy protection while dragging the rest of the industry they are in down! This is getting to be ridiculous, having to compete with this while you pay full price for services and they dont!
 
Jim Smyth said:
There needs to be some sort of law in place to limit how long companies can stay in bankrupcy protection while dragging the rest of the industry they are in down!

If I'm not mistaken, there is. Congress just signed off on new bankruptcy laws that, among other things, would limit corporate bankruptcy protection to two years. The catch is that those companies currently in bankruptcy are grandfathered under the old system.
 
Total Cash:1.30B
Total Cash Per Share 11.19
Total Debt :17.24B
Total Debt/Equity :N/A
Current Ratio :0.606
Book Value Per Share :-63.457001

116 million shares outstanding.

Ouch. The liquiditiy crisis will force something soon. Wait...I've been saying that for over a year...Maybe it won't force anything but a terrible deal with the Devil (GECAS)
 
Hey Guppy Killer! You should name your E-170 ,Industry Killer, for the payrates you guys are getting on that thing. I wouldn't be to proud ,Junior.
 
I wouldn't be proud of falling for flamebait.
 

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