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Pilot shortage causing problems for United Airlines

Carrier recalling additional pilots after service woes last weekend


(Crains’) — United Airlines was forced to cancel 186 flights across the U.S. last weekend because it had nobody available to fly the planes, a scenario its pilots union had warned could happen if the airline didn’t boost staffing.
The pilot shortage was the result of a combination of factors: poor weather across the Atlantic seaboard, too few reserve pilots, an ambitious schedule and contractual and safety measures that limit the number of hours pilots can fly per day and per month.
United has taken steps to address the problem and doesn’t expect another service meltdown over the busy July 4 holiday weekend, says United spokeswoman Jean Medina. The Elk Grove Township-based airline is accelerating its recall of furloughed pilots, rehiring another 125 before the end of 2006. That move would bring the total number of pilots United recalls this year to 400.
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The slew of flight cancellations creates a new worry for summer travelers who’re braving an aviation system pushed to its limits by record numbers of passengers, sold-out aircraft and fewer staff at most airlines.
“The potential is always there across the summer, particularly towards the end of any calendar month,” says aviation consultant Robert Mann, president of R.W. Mann & Co. Inc., based in Port Washington, N.Y.
United passengers affected by the cancelled flights were stranded for hours, even days, because there simply weren’t seats available on other planes flying to their destinations — a result of record-high load factors at most U.S. carriers.
Tom Prince, an accounting professor at Northwestern University’s Kellogg School of Management, was stranded in Seattle on Sunday. He says United personnel told the several hundred passengers whose flights had been cancelled to return to the airport on Wednesday. Mr. Prince decided to tough it out. After he waited in lines for about seven hours, a United agent finally found him seats on a flight to Chicago that day.
United and other U.S. carriers are trying to squeeze more flying time out of their aircraft, while using fewer pilots. Weather delays can lead to staffing issues at the end of the month if pilots reach the maximum number of hours the FAA allows them to spend in cockpits, and there aren’t a sufficient number of reserve pilots available to help shoulder the load. “We’ve talked for a long time about the potential for shortages,” says Captain Steve Derebey, chairman of the United Airlines pilots master executive council for the Air Line Pilots Association. “When they run as close as they have to their manpower projections, a little glitch throws a monkey-wrench in (the system.)”
 
The union told em so in the Summer of 2000 as well. You really only need to have a mastery of fourth grade mathmatics to figure this stuff out.
 
Forte just got the Ax as well.........(V.P. of Flight Ops)

Never thought I would see it happen but it did!
 
IMHO S. Forte was just the puppet. McDonald (COO) needs to be shown the door as well. As usual the senior executives get a free pass while some lackey get's the reach around.
If were going to survive and hopefully some day turn a freakin profit and lord know's we've given them enough ammo, they need to start attracting some talent who are going to be able to turn this franchise around. Otherwise were just going to flounder and get by until......Merger? Buyout? or another trip to court because these imbeciles can't run a koolaid stand in the mojave desert. Rant over.

Koko
 
They were junior manning the first week of June. As a RSV pilot, I timed out on the 23 of the month. July is not looking any better.
 
AA has figured out a way around the flight cancellations. It's called parking more airplanes to maintain the same flight crew ratio as more and more pilots retire.

Recalls? Huh? Doesn't make any sense at AA.

Balls.

73
 
Now if you all would quit working OT and picking up open time, you could really put the screws to the bastards! And create more recalls. I like it.
 
accinelli said:
Well they could plan on changing the rules on how the pilots are paid and milk some more hours out of them.

What; change the FARs? People are timing out because they hit their FAR maximums.
Had the pilots on property (I was furloughed) not agreed to such heinous work rules, UAL would be through the furlough list both down & up, and you'd reading about newhires at UAL. Instead, those that are on property are working like dogs for less money/hr, but making up some financial ground by working more hours. A LOT more hours. Cool idea. Work yourself to death. I guess that there's no need worrying about a pension when you're on the express elevator to a massive coronary within a couple of years after retirement.
The guaranteed hrs (line 65, reserve 70) vs max hrs (89 widebody, 95 LCO) alone is a total freaking joke. With that wide of a variance, UAL ALPA gave management carte blanche to fly their crews to death during the summer and reduce their hours during the winter. The management team that negotiated C2003 is by no means incompetent. Evil yes, incompetent no. OTOH, pw's negotiating team makes Barney Fife (Mayberry RFD) look like a consummate professional law enforcement officer.
PBS also reduced crew needs due to more efficient crew scheduling (just as an example, no vacation drops).
 
pipejockey said:
Now if you all would quit working OT and picking up open time, you could really put the screws to the bastards! And create more recalls. I like it.

Yeah, right! Only probelm is, to do that you would need UNITY within the pilot ranks. That's an oxymoron when talking about the AA pilot group....

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Andy said:
The guaranteed hrs (line 65, reserve 70) vs max hrs (89 widebody, 95 LCO) alone is a total freaking joke.

CAL max is FAA max. Fly up to 100 hours. And this is only hard flying. DH, vacation, training is all added to that. Contractual max is over 120 hours now, and many take it to the limit with voluntary open time pickup, some lineholders volunteering to sit reserve on their days off. This was going on when I was furloughed. Nice crowd.
 
20sx said:
Andy, when are you due to be recalled? I've read you on here for a while.
All the best luck.

20sx, thanks.
I'm expecting to be recalled this fall. I'm about 655 from the bottom; currently the junior man offered a training slot is less than 300 above me. I will accept recall and go on mil leave.

I hope that some of my posts have been a bit useful for you.
 
Andy, that's great! Some of your posts have been useful. I've also identified with the pain of being furloughed. I'm always glad to hear of a pilot being recalled. And the way it sounds, there's a lot more to come (less reserve time:).
 

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