Ual-alpa t/a leak......

[trip]

Bring the 70-90 seat jets on mainline property and we'll be more than glad to fly them here for JetBlue or MidAtlantic E190 payrates.. but give them up to express and we're all screwed for years. Look at Lufthansa.. they just gave up their strongest scope. Still don't know why..

Yea well the best opportunity to make that happen just slipped away over at DL, when it comes down to it there is no stomach at the mainline MEC to push for it. It's far easier to gripe and scoff/ blame regionals for all thats wrong in the industry today.

 

[Jetjockey]

Was just told by our union that we can't get scope back....The contracts at UAL are already in place with various regionals and can't be broken...I'm so PO'd right now I cant see straight. After finding out now we don't need separate ratifications of the new JCBA whenever its negotiated....WOW....Scope was the biggest no-deal for me and now he just tells me we can't expect to hold onto CAL's scope protection... Any scope relief is a NO vote for me and now we are stuck with UAL's scope at the best-case scenario....I say burn baby burn

Many assumptions here. What makes you think that the UAL pilots will vote on anything that doesn't improve on scope. Status-quo IS NOT acceptable. Freeze any airframes above 50 seats right where they are at. No new contracts, no contract renewals. A metered phase out. We are not stuck with anything............yet.

 

[EWR_FO]

Was just told by our union that we can't get scope back....The contracts at UAL are already in place with various regionals and can't be broken...I'm so PO'd right now I cant see straight. After finding out now we don't need separate ratifications of the new JCBA whenever its negotiated....WOW....Scope was the biggest no-deal for me and now he just tells me we can't expect to hold onto CAL's scope protection... Any scope relief is a NO vote for me and now we are stuck with UAL's scope at the best-case scenario....I say burn baby burn

I call bull**it, contracts CAN be broken. They also all have to be renegotiated eventually. Whoever told you that is talking out of his a**.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Scope is an issue that will lead to a strike. NO MORE RJ PUKES FLYING MAINLINE ROUTES IN 70 SEAT ERJS AND CRJS for pennies on the dollar. Burn this POS down if they try to make a run at giving our flying away to the teenagers. I'm optimistic right now though that the MEC's know this. We will se in about 9 weeks perhaps. For now both chambers are loaded with ammo but the safety is stil on.

 

[bearcat]

Everything I've been hearing is that this "is just a transition agreement" and doesn't have any financial component.

I take it you are referring that this TATA does have some pay issues addressed?

Hmmmmm. I doubt it, but hmmmmmmm.....

And I might be missing something, but I'm not sure about the source saying we need a 20% bump to equal CAL's rates?? 12yr Bus F/O at UA $94, CAL $102. 777 $130 UA, $134 CAL.

Much less than the 20%/6-7% numbers in the rumor.

Funny. I'm a 6 year FO at 105

 

[taxicabdriver]

Many assumptions here. What makes you think that the UAL pilots will vote on anything that doesn't improve on scope. Status-quo IS NOT acceptable. Freeze any airframes above 50 seats right where they are at. No new contracts, no contract renewals. A metered phase out. We are not stuck with anything............yet.

UAL's status quo is not acceptable for me...I'm not voting on ANYTHING that lets anything bigger than 50 seats fly for one day. I was arguing with the union guy I was speaking to and he was trying to sell me the same crap you are...lets freeze the 70 seaters where they are at and not renew the contracts when they are due....thats not acceptable for me...Id rather burn down the airline altogether but I don't think enough people share my opinion unfortunately..

 

[taxicabdriver]

I call bull**it, contracts CAN be broken. They also all have to be renegotiated eventually. Whoever told you that is talking out of his a**.

I agree with you, but thats not what i was told. Call your reps and let them know what you think...they are already begging to piss me off...

 

[densoo]

Was just told by our union that we can't get scope back....The contracts at UAL are already in place with various regionals and can't be broken...I'm so PO'd right now I cant see straight. After finding out now we don't need separate ratifications of the new JCBA whenever its negotiated....WOW....Scope was the biggest no-deal for me and now he just tells me we can't expect to hold onto CAL's scope protection... Any scope relief is a NO vote for me and now we are stuck with UAL's scope at the best-case scenario....I say burn baby burn

Your union told you this? Officially via blastmail or something verifiable? If true, then this is a bombshell.

 

[taxicabdriver]

Over the phone...If anyone wants the name/number of the guy I spoke with pm me and I'm more than happy to give it out. CAL ALPA guy

 

[EWR_FO]

Over the phone...If anyone wants the name/number of the guy I spoke with pm me and I'm more than happy to give it out. CAL ALPA guy

Did you put his quote, along with his name, on the Union forum? I think you should do this and see what shakes out.

 

[Jonny Sacko]

No No, that's absolutely correct. The fee to trash those rj's would be astronomical. We have to wait till each contract comes up and kill that group. If the combined company wants those birds to fly we will fly them. Scope will only get better. I don't believe we can kill them today or tomorrow. We hold the throught. It's ok. Scope MUST say exactly what i've represented or I'm also in the No vote (On CAL side). <--Not nearly the only deal killer for most of the guys (and really hot chicks) I fly/chat with. Spell check dead, sorry.

 

[P38JLightning]

What are the cancellation costs exactly? I'm sure EF&A knows to the penny. Odds are some are much more than others. The real question isn't how much it will cost, but rather are a simple majority of the combined pilot group prepared to pay any cost, even a "reasonable" one if that could cancel at least some of the 51+ seat lift, and set hard, non negotiable expirations on the rest. Or will the new MEC allow ALL current 51+ seat outsourcing for all eternity and draw their new "line in the sand" at wherever number the company is currently at and call it a victory because they didn't "allow" anything (yet) that wasn't allowed yet anyway.

 

[maxcackel]

Skywest Inc seems to think you guys are going to give up scope. They just bought Expressjet with a new 10 year contract with Cal with provisions to replace 50 seaters with larger aircraft. Don't let it happen please or I will never get out of here.

 

[taxicabdriver]

Won't this merger create a new company? I thought we had to get a new FAA certificate?? Then piss on the 70 seaters....those contracts were with a previous airline that is no longer in existence

 

[Jonny Sacko]

That's a great idea, by I think not. I believe if it's a new company Tilton and many vp's get huge buyout/bonuses. Also something to do with the city of Chicago and united airlines. Bonds would be called due.
My iPhone doesn't have spellcheck, just it's own. Sorry.
So we merge as equals with skeletons, but we manage this runaway train, by slowing and reversing this rj mess. I guess if we don't allow it to get any worse and stregically make it better, it might be fixed in the next 5-10 years.