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flyguppy

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From reading wire reports, here are some of the latest gems from UAIR managment:

- 19.5% pay cut
- Ability to furlough pilots, REGARDLESS of seniority, if fleet is reduced.
- Reductions in retirement
- $1.9 billion in savings from its pilots through 2009, well above the company's earlier request of $1.5 billion from that group.

- OK, I'm no math major, but let's try to figure this out. 1.9B/3500 pilots. Equals $542,857.14 PER PILOT!!! Divide that by 5 years. $108,571.43 per pilot/per year.


Nice. Management is just setting this up to blame the pilots when they close the doors.

Feel very sorry for the guys/gals at UAIR.
 
I think you are correct that they are placing the pilots in the "Reason" section of their upcoming liquidation, however I think what should really be noticed here is that mgmt is trying to shut the company down. They are doing everything they can to close the doors but they want the public to believe it was someone else's fault. OK, yes I know that would be illegal by shunning thier fudiciary duty but it sure seems like they are purposely trying to make the labor groups cry "UNCLE".
 
I think that we should expect U management to request the courts to abrogate/terminate all of their union contracts. I think also that the courts will grant the request.

The only real recouse the pilots would have is resignation enmasse, which equals the liquidation of USAir Group.

It's a sad day. But, if the company succeeds in eliminating the seniority of U pilots then, in my opinion, there is no longer any reason for USAirways to exist.

As distasteful as it is, sometimes suicide is truly the only option.

Best wishes to all U employees.

PS. It really doesn't matter who does what first, the pilots as well as the other unions will be blamed for the demise of USAirways. That's par for the course.
 
flyguppy said:
From reading wire reports, here are some of the latest gems from UAIR managment:

- 19.5% pay cut
- Ability to furlough pilots, REGARDLESS of seniority, if fleet is reduced.
- Reductions in retirement
- $1.9 billion in savings from its pilots through 2009, well above the company's earlier request of $1.5 billion from that group.

- OK, I'm no math major, but let's try to figure this out. 1.9B/3500 pilots. Equals $542,857.14 PER PILOT!!! Divide that by 5 years. $108,571.43 per pilot/per year.


Nice. Management is just setting this up to blame the pilots when they close the doors.

Feel very sorry for the guys/gals at UAIR.
Very close on your figures. When you factor the number of supervisory pilots in that 3500 number, and their reduction in pay from 10% override to 5% only, the actual pay concession per pilot, per year, is a little over $111K/year.

Red
 
Here's an interesting article from the USAToday...

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/columnist/brancatelli/2004-09-17-brancatelli_x.htm

US Airways' plight should come as no surprise to management
It won't surprise you to learn that I think the men who crash-landed US Airways into bankruptcy court last week for the second time since 9/11 can't manage their way out of a carry-on bag.
But it may surprise you to learn that they agree with me. In fact, they have written the single most **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ing critique of themselves — of any airline management — that I have ever read.

In an extraordinary, 33-page filing with the U.S. Bankruptcy Court, US Airways admits that its management got everything wrong since it exited its first stay in bankruptcy on March 31, 2003. They guessed wrong about pricing, about the competition, about routes, about the market, about revenue, about fuel costs and, as far as I can tell, about the directions for driving home from the bankruptcy court.

Here's what US Airways management says about its own performance in three key areas during the past 18 months:

Fuel costs: According to the filing, US Airways' "plan projections for 2004" pegged jet fuel at 80.5 cents a gallon. The airline's net cost is currently $1.105 cents per gallon.

How US Airways management could have projected an 80.5-cent gallon of jet fuel this year is inexplicable given the fact that the Bureau of Transportation Statistics says jet fuel was already selling at 83 cents when US Airways exited bankruptcy. Moreover, the war in Iraq started almost two weeks before US Airways left bankruptcy. In other words, US Airways management not only expected fuel costs to decline this year, they also expected prices to drop even though we'd already launched the Iraq war.

Passenger revenue: In the plan that US Airways gave to the bankruptcy court before it exited last year, management pegged domestic revenue in 2004 at $4.974 billion dollars. The filing says the "current status" of 2004 revenue would bring it in at $4.472 billion.

How did US Airways get it wrong? "The growth of low-cost carriers over the past 18 months had a profound structural impact on the airline industry," the filing says. "US Airways did not accurately anticipate the magnitude of this structure shift." Moreover, "US Airways was wrong about the revenue environment in which it would have to compete."

Those are astonishing admissions for an airline that had already been run out of both the intra-California and intra-Florida markets by Southwest, had its Baltimore-Washington hub destroyed by the arrival of Southwest and was withdrawing New York/LaGuardia-Florida non-stops due to the success of JetBlue at New York/Kennedy. If any airline should have known about the power of low-cost carriers, it was US Airways.

Southwest's arrival in Philadelphia: In October, 2003, Southwest Airlines announced that it would invade US Airways' fortress hub in Philadelphia in May, 2004. US Airways was stunned and didn't have a competitive response until a month before Southwest launched.

Why? The filing says that US Airways management "predicted that Southwest would come to the Philadelphia area," but "expected Southwest to enter by flying into nearby Allentown." It says that US Airways management pinpointed Allentown because Southwest entered the Boston market with service to secondary airports such as Manchester, N.H., and Providence.

That argument is nonsense — especially for US Airways. US Airways had already been the victim of direct assaults by Southwest at Baltimore/Washington and Florida. In both cases, Southwest came straight at US Airways and US Airways fled.

What does the filing suggest as a curative for a management team that has gotten so much wrong after it exited bankruptcy with a clean slate, $240 million in new capital and almost $1 billion in federal loans? You guessed it: A vote of confidence for the existing bosses, who are pitching still another "transformation" plan.

This new plan is a hazy hash of things that should have been done already (de-peaking hubs and increasing asset utilization) and things that can't be done (growing at already overcrowded airports like LaGuardia and adding more international flights in Philadelphia) — all funded by a third series of givebacks from US Airways' beleaguered and dispirited workforce.

Here's what's wrong with that last plank: Labor costs are already below the projections US Airways made last year. After wrenching two rounds of concessions worth $1.2 billion from its employees, US Airways estimated that this year's labor costs would be 4.2 cents per available seat mile. The airline's current labor costs? Just 4.1 cents per mile. Why would employees give any more to this particular group of management?

And do you remember that Fort Lauderdale "focus city" plan that US Airways management announced just a few weeks ago? The one where US Airways in February launches a series of flights to the Caribbean and Latin America and connects them with flights from key cities in the East?

That strategy is nowhere to be found in the transformation plan as outlined in the filing. The glaring omission leads to some interesting conclusions: The managers at US Airways have already changed their minds, they never had any intention of growing in Fort Lauderdale or, worst of all, they simply forgot to mention it to the bankruptcy court.

Since we all have a stake in this as taxpayers — US Airways still owes almost $750 million on its federally guaranteed loan — I have what seems like a rational suggestion: Unseat the current management. Send David Bronner, who gambled $240 million of Alabama state employee retirement funds on US Airways and bestowed the title of chairman on himself, back to Montgomery. Then appoint an independent trustee to run US Airways and assess whether it has any future.

US Airways may be a dead airline flying. Or some or all of it may be salvageable. But one thing is sure: The current management has proven its incompetence. They have to be shown the door if the airline is to have any chance of survival at all.

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Joe Brancatelli is editor and publisher of JoeSentMe.com, a Web site for business travelers. He is also the former executive editor of Frequent Flyer magazine, travel advisor of Travel Holiday and contributing editor toTravel + Leisure. He can be reached at [email protected].
 
I think Bronner is trying to make this a quick and dirty liquidation. Force the pilots to say no, have someone to blame, liquidate and get his coin back.
 
I am just envisioning Dr. Eeeeeeviillllll, new CEO of US Air saying, "Gentlemen, we now need One Hundred Biiiiiilllllllliiiioooonnnnnn Dollars............" pinky to the mouth and all.

Edited for ignorance.
 
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StaySeated said:
I think Bronner is trying to make this a quick and dirty liquidation. Force the pilots to say no, have someone to blame, liquidate and get his coin back.
That about sums it up. I wonder how much longer U ALPA is going to continue with the charade of negotiations when it is so clear they just want to keep porking labor over there?

Sorry guys, but the writing is on the wall.
 
2nd

The problem was not labor costs, it was on the revenue side which failed to materialize. That said, U needs to find money whereever it can and that is on the labor side. Dead man walking comes to mind if a solution cannot be found to the revenue side regardless of concessions.
 
Miles, that would be Dr. Evil with pinky to mouth.

Sadly, it seems that the current CEO may indeed be trying to cut his losses at the expense of all the employees of US Airways.
 
Having the RJ financing pulled, asking for even more in the way of consessions from everyone and being leveraged to the hilt! The barrel is to the temple, just pull the trigger. Everyone at Airways has just had enough. Such a sad ending for the great carrieers that made up USAirways, especially Piedmont and PSA.
 
Are there any USAir pilots that can briefly post the following:

Since the beggining of the first bankruptcy until today how many times has management come to the pilots for give backs. Also, how much, if any, did the pilots give back during each occurance. If memory serves correctly, I think about four times and 50% total, on average for each pilot.

I am very interested to find out. Thanks and God Bless you all!

At some point, when the request for concessions continues, you have to come to the same conclusion that the EAL pilots did. That conclusion is that managements only real "PLAN" is to have labor costs so low that they have no way NOT to make money.

At this point my fellow USAir friends you have to wonder if any concessions are worth risking until chapter 7 occurs. The old union addage "Maximum pay 'till the very last day" really makes some sense in your case.

TAke care and hang tight.

Mike
 
With the salaries and benefits taking a nose dive at USAirways very fast, you'd think that a pilot would actually welcome a job elsewhere given that his starting salary and benefits would be near the "eventual" USAirways level. Plus, the atmosphere wouldn't be as poisoned as it is now at USAirways - go to places like AirTran, SWA and JetBlue if possible where at least you will find some optimisim....

Best of luck to all USAirways employees out there - let's hope your misery ENDS soon...
 
On Your Six said:
With the salaries and benefits taking a nose dive at USAirways very fast, you'd think that a pilot would actually welcome a job elsewhere given that his starting salary and benefits would be near the "eventual" USAirways level. Plus, the atmosphere wouldn't be as poisoned as it is now at USAirways - go to places like AirTran, SWA and JetBlue if possible where at least you will find some optimisim....
While what you say may be true and applicable to a "young" airline, I think you overlook the fact that the average age of pilots left at USAirways is already 53. Starting over as a new hire at another airline doesn't make much sense at that point.

Either U survives or it's over for those guys. May the Force be with them.
 

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