KeroseneSnorter said:
The newest ATP book I have is from 1994 so I do not know if the question numbers will match anymore. Anyhow 9328, and 9329 deal directly with type rating privileges, specifically asking what privileges can be exercised under various conditions. There are probably others, but it's been a long day and I would rather pass out in a rack, than look for more!!
I no longer have a Commercial question book, but I think it deals with the type rating requirements in more detail than the ATP does. It also occured to me how we may have the disparity between civilian and military knowledge on this subject. As a civilian you must hold a commercial certificate prior to being eligible for an ATP (FAR 61.153 d 1). The military can skip the commercial ticket and move directly to the ATP provided they meet FAR 61.153 d 2.
I didn't relish the thought of actually digging up the Airman Knowledge Test Question Bank, but it's been nagging at me, so it had to be done. The King Materials I have are probably the same vintage as yours, but it might take me a while to find it. Hence, the numbers you gave don't mean much. Never fear, however, because the FAA has moved into the computer age, and the current question bank is probably more relevant to the origin of this thread anyway.
Looking at the current Question Bank found at
http://av-info.faa.gov/data/airmanknowledge/atp.htm I find a few occurrences of the word type that are relevant to certificates or ratings.
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19. [/size][/font][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=-1]E07 [/size][/font][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=-1]ATP[/size][/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=-1]To serve as pilot in command in an IFR operation, a person must have passed a line check[/size][/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=-1]A) within the past 12 months, which include a portion of a civil airway and one instrument approach at one representative airport, in one of the types of aircraft which that pilot is to fly.[/size][/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=-1]B) since the beginning of the 12th month before that service, which included at least one flight over a civil airway, or approved off-airway route, or any portion of either, in one type of aircraft which that pilot is to fly.[/size][/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=-1]C) consisting of a flight over the route to be flown, with at least three instrument approaches at representative airports, within the past 12 calendar months, in one type of aircraft which that pilot is to fly.
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The subject matter in this case is E07, 14 CFR PART 135 - Operating Requirements: Commuter and On-Demand Operations -- Crewmember Testing Requirements. Since "in one type of aircraft which that pilot is to fly" appears in all three of the choices, knowledge of type ratings serves no purpose in discerning the correct answer here. The subject here is really line checks.
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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=-1]What are the minimum certificate and rating requirements for the pilot in command of a multiengine airplane being operated by a commuter air carrier?[/size][/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=-1]A) Airline transport pilot; airplane category; multiengine class.[/size][/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=-1]B) Airline transport pilot; airplane category; multiengine class; airplane type rating, if required.[/size][/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=-1]C) Commercial pilot; airplane category; multiengine class; instrument rating; airplane type rating, if required.[/size][/font]
The subject matter in this case is E05, 14 CFR PART 135 - Operating Requirements: Commuter and On-Demand Operations -- Flight Crewmember Requirements. Albeit this question tests the applicant's knowledge of whether an airplane type rating is required for a PIC of a commuter multi, the "if required" still leaves a lot to the imagination.
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=-1]121. [/size][/font][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=-1]D15 [/size][/font][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=-1]ATP[/size][/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=-1]What are the line check requirements for the pilot in command for a domestic air carrier?[/size][/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=-1]A) The line check is required only when the pilot is scheduled to fly into special areas and airports.[/size][/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=-1]B) The line check is required every 12 calendar months in one of the types of airplanes to be flown.[/size][/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=-1]C) The line check is required every 12 months in each type aircraft in which the pilot may fly.[/size][/font]
Here's a question from D15, 14 CFR PART 121 - Certification and Operations: Domestic, Flag, and Supplemental Air Carriers and Commercial Operators of Large Aircraft -- Crewmember Qualifications. While testing the distinction between line checks in one type or each type, there is still no requirement to necessarily know what a type is.
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[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=-1]Unless otherwise authorized, when is the pilot in command required to hold a type rating?[/size][/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=-1]A) When operating an aircraft that is certificated for more than one pilot.[/size][/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=-1]B) When operating a multiengine aircraft having a gross weight of more than 6,000 pounds.[/size][/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=-1]C) When operating an aircraft having a gross weight of more than 12,500 pounds.[/size][/font]
A20, 14 CFR PART 61 -- Certification: Pilots, Flight Instructors, and Ground Instructors -- General. Here's a question that directly addresses the issue at hand. This question would have the applicant know what conditions require the possession of a Type Rating, and applicants should know. In this case, they should be able to select from more than one pilot, multiengine w/ GW > 6,000 lbs, or GW > 12,500 as the conditions that trigger the requirement.
However, in defense of viperdriver who began this thread, there is no discussion of how this requirement applies to military aircraft. Certainly there is no discussion of whether a military operator of a 737 is required to possess a Type Rating for the 737. Sure, there's the caveat that begins the question, but can you honestly say you fully understand each and every implication of "unless otherwise authorized"?!?!
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=-1]151. [/size][/font][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=-1]A25 [/size][/font][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=-1]ATP[/size][/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=-1]A commercial pilot has a type rating in a B-727 and B-737. A flight test is completed in a B-747 for the Airline Transport Pilot Certificate. What pilot privileges may be exercised regarding these airplanes?[/size][/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=-1]A) ATP - B-747; Commercial - B-727 and B-737.[/size][/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=-1]B) ATP - B-747, B-727, and B-737.[/size][/font]
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=-1]C) Commercial - B-737; ATP - B-727 and B-747.[/size][/font]
Subject matter code A25, 14 CFR PART 61 -- Certification: Pilots, Flight Instructors, and Ground Instructors -- Airline Transport Pilots. Again, while the Type Rating is discussed in the context of privileges, there is no discussion of those airplanes that require a type or those that don't, or how any exceptions might apply to military airplanes or military versions of commercial airplanes, or the military operating "off-the-shelf" commercial airplanes.
Now, that's all I could find regarding Type Ratings or Type Certificates in the current Airman Knowledge Test Question Bank for ATP. None of those questions, in my opinion, require the knowledge to answer viperdriver's questions. If you have a definitive exposition on the meaning of "unless otherwise authorized," I would hope you'd be so kind as to share it with us. Otherwise, you might review your initial response to viperdriver and reconsider your harshness.
Now, as for the military pilot skipping the Commercial on the way to the ATP: The more common route for military pilots is to take the written exam (Military Competency? Military Equivalency? I don't recall) to obtain the Commercial and Instrument, but that doesn't really matter. In any event, the lack of emphasis on the specific requirements of the Type rating is, in my opinion, appropriate. If there were a reasonable danger of a military pilot accidentally operating an airplane that required a type rating without first going through the process to obtain that rating, I might think otherwise. On the contrary, a military pilot would more likely overtrain and overdocument.
If you're interested, Start at your 61.153(d)(2), follow its reference to 61.73, and study Type Ratings there. You'll find "if applicable" used several times.
