Twin pistons better than single turbines

[WrightAvia]

http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/news/6310866.htm

 

[ShawnC]

300fpm, isn't much of a margin of safety for me.

 

[dmspilot00]

How sad it is that the woman and the 3-year old survived the crash only to drown.

 

[wingnutt]

300fpm, isn't much of a margin of safety for me.

true...but with the title being a comparison of twin recip vs single turbine, id wager a bet that youd like that 300fpm ALOT better than the lackluster engine-out climb "saftey margin" of a Caravan

 

[ShawnC]

true...but with the title being a comparison of twin recip vs single turbine, id wager a bet that youd like that 300fpm ALOT better than the lackluster engine-out climb "saftey margin" of a Caravan

True, but not much better.

When you don't clear the trees it isn't much help.

 

[chawbein]

300fpm? Sounds like flying a fully-loaded Cessna 150 on a hot day with a serious yaw problem.

 

[ShawnC]

300fpm? Sounds like flying a fully-loaded Cessna 150 on a hot day with a serious yaw problem.

There is an angle difference between doing 300fpm at more than 95kts (83 in the case of of one with VGs) and 60 kts in a C150.

I have been in the 300fpm boat, though it was more like 500fpm in the C152 down here at Sea Level.

Though I probably shouldn't talk the Baron has a Single engine climb of barely 400fpm, but then again, it's a larger aircraft, and I would expect a better single engine climb.

 

[cvsfly]

I'd take the well maintained airplane. I'd take the professionally flown airplane. I'd take the airplane run by a professional company that had the resources to maintain the aircraft and one that strives to go above and beyond what is required in the regs. Can this be done and make money at the same time? Who knows. This is said without regard to this incident. I hate to speculate on accidents when we don't have all the facts from a complete investigation. All I know is there one woman that survived that flight who will not get on another plane, whether it be piston twin, single, turboprop or jet, for a very long time. If this could have been prevented, that is very sad. I think she found a boat to get home on.

 

[WrightAvia]

Yea...them Caravans are dropping like flies.

I was out at an airport yesterday and a 2004 TBM 700 was being delivered to it's new owner. 2.9 MILLION...say it with me...2.9 MILLION SMACKERS. The guy hires the 135 pilot from the FBO to fly him around in it. It's his 4th one. He trades them in every so many years or so.

Our state has 3 Pilatus PC 12's. They got rid of old Queen Airs for these.

As for advertised climb rates in piston twins...good luck. My Director of Operations and I were in a Seneca III doing a check ride on a summer day, with one at zero thrust during climbout. I was doing my best to keep 200 feet per minute. We had 90 gallons on board and just us two guys.

 

[Flying Illini]

"The loss of one life is too many," he said. "But statistically, I'd say we've done pretty good."

Oh yeah, this guy sounds *very* sympathetic...what a jerk.

 

[ackairpilot]

performance

Even well maintianed 402s like Cape Air's would have trouble on a hot day. If the pilot performed all emergency procedures perfectly they would still have difficulty maintaining Altitude. I feel this pilot actually did ok by not VMC rolling. I much rather have the engine failure enroute than 50 ft off the runway as im going into the fog.

MY 2 Cents
ACK AIR

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

THe turbine singles are MUCH better than piston twins.

The turbines are safer, and their total cost is MUCH less.

When you figure the cost to buy and re-sell, and then their overhauls and their TBO replacement times, the turbine singles are a lot less $.

Cliff
DTW

 

[WrightAvia]

Pistons are scary. Have you ever considered the dynamics of them reciprocating parts just trying to get away from beating the hell out each other? It's scary, I tells ya.