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Mopac said:
As far as the Navy cover up, there aren't too many windows on a missile frigate. Out of a crew of maybe 350, there were maybe a handful of eyes outside, i.e. the bridge? Everybody else is deep below deck in the CIC,powerplant etc. Just possibly, not too many people to keep quiet.

Yeah, but when a missile jumps off the rails, everybody on the boat knows about it. The guys in CIC have no windows, but who fires and watches the missile? The guys in CIC, duh. The guys on the bridge are mostly enlisted personnel, and odds are one or more are disgruntled. Instead of seeing the world, some Cleetus from Nebraska is helming a tin-can around Long Island... you think he's gonna buy into a cover-up, when he could sell his story for hundreds of thousands to 20/20 or Dateline?
 
Mopac said:
From a person related to one of the TWAers on that flight. Raytheon was testing a prototype surface to air interceptor missile. The Navy had Scud from the first Iraq War that they used as a target drone. The new missile's primary tracking system failed and it reverted to heat seeking. The closest heat source: 800.
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Oh good grief. I've heard some nutcase conspiracies around TWA 800 but this tops the list. Since when does anybody test new surface to air missile systems near one of the largest cities in the world among the busiest air corridors in the world? And where was this supposed Scud launched from? And a prototype missile suffers a failure in its primary tracking system and is allowed to revert to some back up mode that randomly acquires the first heat source it sees and guides to it?!? Suuure. And even if such a plan did slip past the hundreds of technicians and experts designed to filter out such stupidity, that is one weapon system I'd want no part of. We're not in the habit of employing weapons whose failure mode is to randomly acquire and guide to the first heat source they find in a several mile area. There is just a slight difference in heat signatures between a ballistic missile and a 747. Missile seeker technology has advanced just a little beyond the Helen Keller stage of shoot and hope. But, I suppose if this supposed "new" technology is something actually being pursued, we could always just ensure all our aircraft are on the ground before we launch any of these beauties.

But hey, if someone who was related to someone on TWA 800 actually said this....it must be true.
 
Yeah, I'm not necessarily buying into this whole Scud/Interceptor missile test either. It seems a little outlandish. However, like I said before, it's interesting that about 200 ft of wing and four engines are never seen with the rest of the carcass in that NTSB hangar that's now used for training purposes.
 
I don't claim to know what happened. But when the NTSB/FBI starts using CIA created computer animations to explain things (things that don't follow the laws of physics)...that is when you know things are severely messed up.
 
ATRedneck said:
The guys on the bridge are mostly enlisted personnel, and odds are one or more are disgruntled.
Lack of gruntle is no reason to be shooting missiles at airliners.
 
Everybody go read, "The Closing of the American Mind."

It's the new millenium: not "What is Right," but "Is There a Right".....
 
The navy test firing radar missles which revert to IR in the busiest airspace in the US. Yeah, that makes sense.
 
NO, I dont think you understand. The reported missle sightings in the Long Island area by a few airline crews was reported the day before flight 800 went down. Many witnesses watched the missle fly from the surface to the aircraft. Big time cover up, just like Oak city in my opinion.
 
Dear friends & family of TWA 800 victims,

The US government has never been successful at keeping a conspiracy quiet.

Sincerely,
John F. Kennedy
 
I was jumpseating on a 757 a couple of years after TWA 800 splashed. This particular 757 had two cockpit jumpseats and occupying the other one was a NY ARTCC Supervisor. I asked her "So what happened to TWA 800?" She told me that she was working that night and was on the team that pulled the radar tapes. In the tape analysis, they discoved a small primary target that merged with TWA 800. She stated the next day the FBI showed up and took all of their tapes away and told them they would be handling everything from there on out.
 
Mopac said:
From a person related to one of the TWAers on that flight. Raytheon was testing a prototype surface to air interceptor missile. The Navy had Scud from the first Iraq War that they used as a target drone. The new missile's primary tracking system failed and it reverted to heat seeking. The closest heat source: 800.


Possible, but unlikely. Just like the NTSB's official story.

Military live-fire exercises and tests are conducted inside protected airspace, and whenever a test article has enough range to leave the test area, there are provisions for flight termination (range safety package or fighter escort). Any kind of long-range interceptor would have been tested somewhere quiet like the South Pacific, not on the Eastern seaboard.
 
mach zero said:
I was jumpseating on a 757 a couple of years after TWA 800 splashed. This particular 757 had two cockpit jumpseats and occupying the other one was a NY ARTCC Supervisor. I asked her "So what happened to TWA 800?" She told me that she was working that night and was on the team that pulled the radar tapes. In the tape analysis, they discoved a small primary target that merged with TWA 800. She stated the next day the FBI showed up and took all of their tapes away and told them they would be handling everything from there on out.

I flew with a TWA captain that was on the ALPA investigation team. He said there were times when things were brought into the hangar at night, but were gone in the morning.

AAflyer
 
Why is it all those who believe in a conspiracy have no military time?

 
Actually they were able to reproduce it just on a smaller scale. If you ever watch National Geographic's " Seconds From Disaster" program about TWA 800 then you will see what I'm talking about. Also there was a Boeing 737 that had the center fuel tank explode while sitting on the groung somewhere in Asia years earlier. They believe the same thing occurred.
 
Normally I would believe the mechanical theory. However, the primary radar returns headed directly for 800 and then it went down. I also watched a TV special that soaked similiar material found on seats (plastic explosive) in salt water for 24 hours. Then they tried to get the detector to register it and it failed. Could their be enough Bomb residue left on the seats that was used for training to go months of revenue flying, Blow up 2 miles in the air, and then soak in salt water for 2 days and still register? I don't believe it posible.
Mach8Forest
 
Wrong Plane!

Mach8Forest said:
Could their be enough Bomb residue left on the seats that was used for training to go months of revenue flying, Blow up 2 miles in the air, and then soak in salt water for 2 days and still register? I don't believe it posible.
Mach8Forest
Remember, the 747 they used for the training exercise in STL was the one NEXT to the 800 aircraft. The claim the red residue on the seats on 800 were from that exercise are bogus.
 
WND as a source, isn't that where those men in black guys go for news?
 
So now the New York Times is in on the cover up ? And just why would they not want to " blow this story wide open"? Not to mention, no one has answered my question as to why there would be a coverup?
 
Roger Murdoch said:
So now the New York Times is in on the cover up ? And just why would they not want to " blow this story wide open"? Not to mention, no one has answered my question as to why there would be a coverup?

Its all Bushs fault. No wait, it was Clintons fault. Actually it was Al Quade, and Clinton didnt want to pursue the real problems, so they made up this story. No its Boeings fault. No, its Clintons fault....no, it is popular to be down on Bush, so its Bushs fault
 
Bavarian Chef said:
Why is it all those who believe in a conspiracy have no military time?
Because it takes a long time for the brainwashing to wear off.
 
FN FAL said:
Because it takes a long time for the brainwashing to wear off.

Because we have capacity for rational thought.
 
scoreboard said:
Because we have capacity for rational thought.

You mean rational thought like understanding that ARTCC radar with a 5 second sweep rate and optimized to track secondary returns isn't capable of picking up primary returns on surface to air missile moving at mach 2? Or rational thought like realizing tabloid publications like WorldNetDaily make their money by spinning a stream of conspiracy theories? Or rational thought like understanding that information gathered from a friend's uncle who knew a mechanic who worked for TWA in the early 80's probably isn't worth betting the farm on? That rational thought?
 
Clinton

Roger Murdoch said:
Not to mention, no one has answered my question as to why there would be a coverup?

Clinton was running for re-election and the Atlanta Olympics were about to start. How's that for a reason?
 

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