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twott driver

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I will grudgingly read his memo at work, but when he mails that sh!t to my home, he starts to piss me off.

I have return mailed it to him with a polite note saying that I'd appreciate him not sending me junk mail at home.

I also told him his cost savings initiative could have been started with the $650 he would have saved by putting it in our mail-boxes rather than mailing it.

I would encourage you all to pay the .39c and send your's back to him too.
 
I don't think that you even need 39cents. I might be mistaken, but i believe that you can just write RETURN TO SENDER on the envelope and drop it back in the mail. Can anyone back me up on this one?
 
I hate to waste paper, so if I get that letter in the mail I will put it to good use (wipe my a** with it) BEFORE I send it back to Charlie!
 
Berry McCockner said:
I don't think that you even need 39cents. I might be mistaken, but i believe that you can just write RETURN TO SENDER on the envelope and drop it back in the mail. Can anyone back me up on this one?

Yea, just write RETURN TO SENDER on it... That works.

My favorite thing to do is open up junk mail, take off my name, place it in the "PREPAID ENVELOPE" and stuff it full of their own stuff they sent me along with the original envelope. I wonder what they do when they open it to see their own junk sent right back?

This saves me a lot of garbage space!!
 
flyupder said:
Yea, just write RETURN TO SENDER on it... That works.

My favorite thing to do is open up junk mail, take off my name, place it in the "PREPAID ENVELOPE" and stuff it full of their own stuff they sent me along with the original envelope. I wonder what they do when they open it to see their own junk sent right back?

This saves me a lot of garbage space!!

I like to add a banana peel and some tuna juice also. A little extra something for them.
 
I just returned from picking up my mail and I received the letter today. I wish I had read this thread before opening it. My GF already has a bunch of stamps on the fridge so I don't even have to make an extra trip before I mail it back.

Do we just adress it to Charlie C/O ASA and use the Hartsfield Centre Parkway address? I don't want it lost somewhere in the G.O.
 
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And we need to be cost competitive?!?! What about not mailing this $hit to 1800 pilots.........we all have boxes at work
 
Sinca3 said:
And we need to be cost competitive?!?! What about not mailing this $hit to 1800 pilots.........we all have boxes at work
I guess it what worth it to them. They know the strike vote is coming. This way they figured they would inject a little more angst into all of us. They figured wrong, as they shall soon see. This pilot group has had it with the management liars and the way we are treated.
 
Now they are trying to scare our loved ones at home. There is no other reason for it. I got a copy on FLICA, a copy in my mailbox, it's on the MyASA website, there is no need to send it home. The only thing that accomplishes is to worry the wife/fiance'/girlfriend (insert male equvilant as well)who only has a basic understanding of what's going on in the first place so that they can exert a little pressure on the pilot. SCHMUCK!!!

I feel like the movie Office Space where my 9 bosses call me and ask if I've gotten the memo!!!
 
Also nice that they posted it on "our" ASA website so the other employees are sure to understand their future depends on a bunch of "greedy" overpaid pilots.

Last year, I was talking to a ramper about me driving a 12 year old car. He said
"yeah, why is that? You guys must be cheap because I know you make like $34/hour or something like that and lots of you drive clunkers. I only make $10/hour and I can afford a new car"

So I asked him how many hours he thought I got paid for per week. He said "Well I guess around 40 or so 'cause you guys are always here"

Nice to know our co-workers understand our situation.
 
Mr. Tutt,

I am very proud to work for ASA. I want to work here and I will do all I can to make ASA the best in the business, but...the company must do their part and right now they are not.

We have put up with years of contract abuse and quality of life erosion without any good reason. The things the company does to violate our current contract don't even result in increased productivity. They only temporarily cover up problems created by administrative errors and failure to lead.

Obviously this contarct is not only about compensation and from what I have seen the quality of life improvements in the matched sections are abysmal. With this in mind and thanks to your letter, things are about to change.

Up until now I have been the Union's worst nightmare. I'm that idiot you've seen running upstairs to get the release. I'm that idiot doing 4 degree descents. I'm that idiot who taxis single engine. I'm that idiot who spent the winter not running the APU at Fuel Conservation stations. I'm that idiot on my cell phone, while resetting computers in the avionics bay. I'm that idiot who helps grandma off the plane. I'm that idiot who brings broken airplanes back to Atlanta when I could've broke it at the outstation. I'm that idiot on the radio doing other people's jobs. I'm that idiot who makes things run despite everyone else not caring.

I'm that idiot who takes pride in my job despite the continual contract abuses and contract erosion. I'm that idiot who didn't want to go on strike.

Well Mr. Tutt, thank you. Thank you for showing me what an idiot I am. And please rest assured, Mr. Tutt, knowing that I am much smarter now and will do my job in a much more intelligent manner.

Yours truly,
One of your Captains
 
First let me begin by saying the letter wasn't the best way to go, and it wasn't written very well.

That being said, I do not believe what he is saying is a scare tactic. I think most people are mad because they don't really want to hear the truth. The facts are:

1. We are in a very competitive environment and we are competing with multiple carriers for flying. ALPA and APA have made this worse by creating multiple alter-ego carriers with lower costs because of poor use of scope clauses (ie Freedom, G0jet$, MidAtlantic, Compass, Republic)

2. ALPA uses pattern bargaining and whether we like it or not, many of current open items do not conform to the current industry pattern. Specifically the 70 seat rates, the instructor section, B fund retirement, and retro pay.

3. The company financials are not as great as some in the union would have you believe. They are focusing on increased revenue which doesn't mean much. First the revenue ONLY comes IF we win flying contracts. If we don't win contracts, we don't get ANY revenue. Secondly, the NET PROFIT MARGINS are not that impressive when compared to other industries and have been deteriorating since contract 98. It does not make good business sense to increase costs as much as ALPA is proposing in this environment, not if you want a healthy growing company.

Jerry has options, he can either move forward with ASA, or he can move on without ASA. He will make good business decisions and he will not be held hostage by ALPA. ALPA isn't nearly as powerful as it thinks anymore.
 
JoeMerchant said:
First let me begin by saying the letter wasn't the best way to go, and it wasn't written very well.

I agree with you 100% Joe. I know it is only one sentence but it is a start.
 
Bizjet said:
I agree with you 100% Joe. I know it is only one sentence but it is a start.

That doesn't mean I don't think what he is saying is untrue however.
 
JoeMerchant said:
Jerry has options, he can either move forward with ASA, or he can move on without ASA. He will make good business decisions and he will not be held hostage by ALPA.

If Jerry was to make a good business decision for the share holders he would move the 700s to SKYW and the 50s to ASA. He himself said ASA operates the 50s for less. This is about controlling the payrates at ASA and Skywest.
 
twott driver said:
I will grudgingly read his memo at work, but when he mails that sh!t to my home, he starts to piss me off.

I have return mailed it to him with a polite note saying that I'd appreciate him not sending me junk mail at home.

I also told him his cost savings initiative could have been started with the $650 he would have saved by putting it in our mail-boxes rather than mailing it.

I would encourage you all to pay the .39c and send your's back to him too.

Just write, in red ink, RETURN TO SENDER, attn:King Tutt. That's what I plan on doing! If there's a copy in your work mailbox, comat it back to King Tutt too.
 
JoeMerchant said:
Jerry has options, he can either move forward with ASA, or he can move on without ASA. He will make good business decisions and he will not be held hostage by ALPA. ALPA isn't nearly as powerful as it thinks anymore.

If he's such a great businessman Joey, why doesn't he transfer all the 200s to ASA as we're cheaper there. With SKYW pilot's incentives, they're actually more expensive on the 700 too I bet. SKYW is just trying to take advantage of those carriers in bankruptcy by attempting to knock us, a profitable airline, down too. Hey Joey, when will mgt take their cut? Most of them are retired DAL managers, so they should be able to afford, oh, maybe a 50% cut. And while we're at it, get rid of mgt bonuses too. What are they offering you and your older gf Joey, that'd be interesting. We know you and your older gf have been in SH and CT offices a couple times, and in certain CP's office too. You're unbelieveable Joey.
 
ReportCanoa said:
Right out of his Delta Concessions Playbook (DCP).

No, it's not something Tutt came up. This tactic has been around a long time. Don't let it scare you. That's all it is, a scare tactic. ASA even used that when they said we wouldn't get the ATRs years ago. Unfortunately, our MEC at the time fell for it. We didn't have membership ratification to vote for or against that contract, and the MEC rammed it to us. It PO a lot of pilots, and as a result we now have membership ratification.

Hoser
 
This is exactly what MGT wants, all of us to divide and run around scared. Don't fall for their crap. This is a typical MGT tactic. Feed the workers with Doomsday outlook's and make them think you are doing them a favor by cutting their wages.

There are several Flamethrowers on here that are probably MGT Flunky's. So don't listen to them or fall for their B.S. either.
 
Fellow ASA Pilots,

It is undeniable that many of the facts in Mr. Tutts letter are correct. We are in an extremely competitive business. But that is no reason for the pilots of ASA to accept a concessionary contract. We are a poorly run, yet extremely productive pilot group, working for a profitable company. A company which has seen fit to give all non-contract employees a raise, via performance incentives. Incentives which would increase my personal gross income by approximately $3,600 per year at the current rate.

Any pilot at ASA who believes we are asking for too much has not read anything but the company propaganda and has obviously no knowledge about what it took to get our last contract signed.

The only way to get a contract is to fly by the book. That's it. Period. The very thought of doing my job by the book sickens me and I am loathe to do so, but the company position has forced my individual hand. Their lack of flexibility at the bargaining table has taken away my flexibility in the cockpit.

This requires a commitment to do what it takes, including a strike. If a transfer of assets to Skywest is in the cards, I will be out of a job worth having anyway.

Anyone who has ever read any of my previous posts, knows I have always been a reasonable debater (except then it comes to GEN LEE). But this inflamatory tactic taken by the company has pushed me over the edge. I believe the 900's were never coming to ASA, but this tactic of twisting the truth to manipulate negotiations is unacceptable.

I have enjoyed my time at ASA and made some great friends, but I now accept the fact that a job worth having at ASA will not be around for much longer, wether it is eliminated by a strike or assets-transfer. My only option is to make the elimination of my job extremely expensive for the company.
 
buscap said:
Fellow ASA Pilots,I have enjoyed my time at ASA and made some great friends, but I now accept the fact that a job worth having at ASA will not be around for much longer, wether it is eliminated by a strike or assets-transfer. My only option is to make the elimination of my job extremely expensive for the company.

Well Mr. Tutt, now look at what you have gone and done? Ya'll better look for another law firm. This one is giving you bad guidance, again. And get an updated play book too!

Hoser
 
:rolleyes:Joe, you will support mgmnt no matter WHAT they do or say....WHY, unfortunately you are a YES man! Maybe he will have to sleep with your girl or burn down your house before you will actually see the forest for the tree's! Give me a BREAK!
 
So we get this mailed to us, (The 4th time we've seen it) but they didn't even have the common courtesy to notify us of our base closure (SLC) through any method besides MyASA.
 

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