Tutt's Letter To Pilots

["GO AROUND"]

Ask Carl and Chuck how many occurances they had wiped off their record when they were hired as CP's.

However, if you miss the 4 D cell mag light sticking out through the bottom of the fuselage that the mechanic left in the nose well on your walk around then you might have to tlk to a CP. Not one but two crews missed it. No name on the flashlight so the mechanic might skate.

 

[Dude]

I would have to agree that the letter from Mr. Tutt was neither timely nor appropriate, but for different reasons. I am a Captain and have NEVER allowed anyone to put me into a position where I felt that there was no out. If I have a justifiable reason for not going or not taking an aircraft, I am not doing it. I do not need permission from a Chief Pilot to make a responsible decision. If there happens to be recourse for my decision, I accept that and gladly defend myself. Mr. Tutt was wrong because he sent the letter to the pilots and not the MEC, directly. I could care less about his opinion or the MEC's for that matter. More should be expected from these self-proclaimed leaders and they shouldn't throw $hit sandwiches at one another via the pilot group. It is time that our MEC and our management act as grown-ups and conduct the business they are charged with. Our management and MEC aren't trusted by anyone but a vocal few. They are worse than unsupervised school children. "He said that She said, blah, blah, blah...." Their mud throwing needs to be contained to the circle-jerks at the GO and keep it out of my mailbox, because I don't care.

There is plenty to bitch about but this is retarded. If you have an aircraft with a significant problem refuse it and stand by your decision. It get's frustrating to listen to people bitch about these sort of things and then complain about how little our paychecks are. If you wont make the decision that you are obligated to and then expect the company to decide for you then you are probably overpaid already. If you are a Pilot then by all means act accordingly. The shame of it is; most of you are old enough to know better and are an embarrasment to the job. We get to hear your crap in RGT and in the lounge........"the company won't back me (hold my hand) and the Chief Pilots are a bunch of meanies." EXCERCISE the PRIVILEGES of your certificates or get out of the way so me and the other grown-ups can have a better schedule. This is what happens when a bunch of low-time wonders with zero experience get hired at an airline during a boom. They upgrade to only have their CP or FO do their job because they have no experience. ASA being your first real flying job hardly counts.

I would write more of the gospel but it's starting to pissing me off.............I'll go now.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

EXCERCISE the PRIVILEGES of your certificates or get out of the way so me and the other grown-ups can have a better schedule. This is what happens when a bunch of low-time wonders with zero experience get hired at an airline during a boom. They upgrade to only have their CP or FO do their job because they have no experience. ASA being your first real flying job hardly counts.

I would write more of the gospel but it's starting to pissing me off.............I'll go now.

If you are a captain you've been here at least 5 years. SO with 5K you were hired as a what??? A high timer?

Please.

STFU and get off your soapbax. You sound like an asshole.

 

[Palerider957]

I'll do it again if I'm fatigued. Knowing that one will have an occurence for refusing to fly tired is pilot pushing!

Hoser

Don't ever go home "fatigued," they can simply give you 11 hour rest in domicile, then whip you like a dog (and give you an occurrence). Go home "sick" and take the rest of the week off...........IMHO

 

[atrdriver]

Well Voice, I have been pushed by management, many times. Did it work? No, it didn't. If I believe that a flight is unsafe to make, due to mx, wx, or any other reason, I'm not going to make it. Depending on who the CP on duty is, it is either no big deal or the end of the earth as we know it. But yes, I have been asked to fly broken aircraft many times. My personal favorite was mx asking me to fly an ATR that the rudder trim didn't work on.

But the point of this thread was Tutts letter. A crew DID refuse to fly this AC, and when that crew got back to ATL they were met by the CP's for a carpet dance. I don't know what happened to them, but the point is that nothing should have happened at all. Tutt may indeed be a stand up guy, but he is going to have to prove it to this pilot group. And the way to prove it is to work with the pilots, and treat us a the professionals that we are, not like the children that they seem to believe that we are.

 

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[John Pennekamp]

Be careful about believing everything ALPA tells you. Charlie isn't telling people to "never refuse an airplane again". That is what ALPA is telling you that Charlie is saying. They aren't the same thing. I myself have refused 2 aircraft this month and haven't had any problems. There was a time when I would have been called to Bubba's office, but those times are over. ALPA is creating conflict to stir people up.

Look, folks, seems we stirred up one of our non dues paying, non members! Or a chief pilot/management pilot.

 

[Plug]

We get to hear your crap in RGT and in the lounge........

Dude must be a training department guy. Well, if you want the line pilots to give a crap about the training department then maybe you should give a crap about the line pilots and what really goes on out on the line and not just the 2 or 3 times a month you come out to do a GNV round trip!

 

[Plug]

Voice,

You may stand your ground with this company and not get nailed for it but it doesn't change the fact that nobody really likes flying with you Chris. I did a round trip with you to the Turks and that was the longest ride of my life! How you hitt'in those Titliest balls around?

 

[ASARJMan]

Voice,

You may stand your ground with this company and not get nailed for it but it doesn't change the fact that nobody really likes flying with you Chris. I did a round trip with you to the Turks and that was the longest ride of my life! How you hitt'in those Titliest balls around?

CA? The 'sniper'? God's gift to aviation? That who u mean?

 

[Plug]

CA? The 'sniper'? God's gift to aviation? That who u mean?

No, C.A. would shoot this guy. This Chris doesn't know what it means to smile. He has the same name as the "Chris" in Rush Hour, Friday "Been smok'in since I was two..." That Chris. He is the biggest crump known to man, well, next to Art S.

 

[AuburnRedneck9]

Alpa isn't creating a single problem that doesn't aready exist you idiot. Which unskilled & dishonest chief pilot are you? Why are you hiding? Drag your fat face out of your office and do something. I will refuse anything that I feel is unsafe, PERIOD.

Be careful about believing everything ALPA tells you. Charlie isn't telling people to "never refuse an airplane again". That is what ALPA is telling you that Charlie is saying. They aren't the same thing. I myself have refused 2 aircraft this month and haven't had any problems. There was a time when I would have been called to Bubba's office, but those times are over. ALPA is creating conflict to stir people up.

 

[79%N1]

No, C.A. would shoot this guy. This Chris doesn't know what it means to smile. He has the same name as the "Chris" in Rush Hour, Friday "Been smok'in since I was two..." That Chris. He is the biggest crump known to man, well, next to Art S.

Bingo!!!!! So I'm not the only one! AS was the most miserable experience I have had in an airplane. What an SOB. Jackie Chan's sidekick was not much better. Told me I should tell him where I'm going while on a 3 hr airport sit! Are you kidding me?!?!?!

 

[DrunkIrishman]

Told me I should tell him where I'm going while on a 3 hr airport sit! Are you kidding me?!?!?!

How dare he follow company policies!!! Boys, get a rope.

 

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[79%N1]

Yea, its company policy for the FO to tell the Captain....I'm going to the bathroom, I'm going to Wendy's, I'm going to get a paper....Give me a freakin break!!!! Aaah, last I checked, we are not in elementary school! I know how to be where I am supposed to be when I am supposed to be there. I don't need to ask my mommy permission to go out anymore. And show me company policy that says we need to tell the Captain our every move while on a break, and when I'll be back.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Yea, its company policy for the FO to tell the Captain....I'm going to the bathroom, I'm going to Wendy's, I'm going to get a paper....Give me a freakin break!!!! Aaah, last I checked, we are not in elementary school! I know how to be where I am supposed to be when I am supposed to be there. I don't need to ask my mommy permission to go out anymore. And show me company policy that says we need to tell the Captain our every move while on a break, and when I'll be back.

Not sure about all that. Regardless that the book says I'm supposed to babysit my crew the entire time we're on duty (including on the overnights!), I couldn't give a rip where they are unless they're still gone about 30 minutes prior to departure. I think most of our captains feel that way... except maybe the dorks like "voice of reason" who wrote that crap into the SPs in the first place.

 

[DX Rick]

Use his name! SCOTT HALL!

He's the one that when Chicago Express closed down "got paid" to help pilots find other jobs. He didn't do it out of the goodness of his heart, he was getting paid for it.

He's also the one that has told the ASA pilot group that he cannot honor our current agreement but he will honor our next one.

How do you know he was paid? I'm not saying he did or didn't, this is the first I have heard of it. But in todays industry, who is going to pay a man to bring them pilots when they can get them for free? I know the pilots didnt pay him to do so, and I wouldnt think a regional would pay him to bring them pilots....so lets here this valid source.

 

[79%N1]

Yea, cause most Captains realize that the other crewmwmbers are adults, who, if capable of getting this job, are capable to be where they are supposed to be on time. I know I am.

 

[www.]

Yea, cause most Captains realize that the other crewmwmbers are adults, who, if capable of getting this job, are capable to be where they are supposed to be on time. I know I am.

Yeah, right. You mean the ones that are too busy hitting on the FA.

 

[www.]

But in todays industry, who is going to pay a man to bring them pilots when they can get them for free? I know the pilots didnt pay him to do so, and I wouldnt think a regional would pay him to bring them pilots.

I didn't say he was an employment agency. I didn't say he was paid by the pilots either. Chicago Express paid him. He made calls to find out where there may be flying jobs.

 

[Plug]

It is more of a courtesy, if anything, to tell your fellow crew members you are going grab something to eat. I do it more so to see if they need anything. Hell, I don't even come to find my crew to tell them the ship and gate. I am quite certain they can figure it our on their own. If their is a problem that I know of then I make an attempt to find them, other than that they can figure it out and usually do. If scheduling calls me looking for one of them I simply state "I dunno". They have other means like the PA in the airport to get a hold of a crew member.

Cheers

 

[DX Rick]

I didn't say he was an employment agency. I didn't say he was paid by the pilots either. Chicago Express paid him. He made calls to find out where there may be flying jobs.

I never said you said he was an employment agency, nor did I say that you mention pilots paid him. I was just curious as to where you got your info. Thats all.