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canyonblue

Everyone loves Southwest
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Contentious labor relations, unstable fuel costs, brutal competition and financial woes have long been synonymous with so-called legacy carriers--those hub-and-spoke holdovers that collectively have lost $23 billion since the 2001 terrorist attacks. Less well known is that the same problems threaten to lay low their discount rivals.

Too much seat capacity is one of the problems. Overall, domestic revenue per seat mile dropped 6.5% in August, usually one of the industry's best months. Capacity will grow 7% to 8% this year, mostly from discounters. "What's happening is counterintuitive," says Gary Kelly, chief executive of Southwest Airlines . "The revenue environment is soft, but literally every airline is adding seats."

Discounters are also driving up costs by chasing after lower-paying passengers with new routes and new frills, like entertainment gadgetry and even food. Further over the horizon the discounters' cost edge is sure to narrow even more as their new jets and young employees age.

Southwest Airlines
Now 33 years old and the nation's sixth-largest airline, the discount giant's no-frills flights are starting to look chintzy as upstarts like JetBlue offer equally low fares, plus frills like satellite TV and assigned seats. Nor does Southwest have an edge in cheap, young nonunion labor any longer. Its attendants' contract resulted in 31% average wage hikes, so that within three years they will be the best paid in the sky, earning up to $56,350 annually. Under the new wage scale, Southwest's overall cost to fly a seat one mile jumped from 7.6 cents to 8.1 cents on June 30, reports Airline Monitor, a trade publication. From 20% to 25% annual growth in the mid-1990s, earnings have fallen an average of 2% annually the past five years. The market may be catching on. Southwest's stock is down 30% the past year to a recent $13.80 per share. Even so, its lofty $10.9 billion market value is more than that of the nation's ten other largest airlines combined.

ATA Holdings
The 18-year-old carrier lost $90 million in the first half of this year and has warned it could run out of cash early next year. The Nasdaq announced that ATA's stock has fallen so far it will be delisted in November. The airline is busily renegotiating jet leases and reportedly shopping airport gates. Even in the face of bankruptcy, and with a cost per mile of 7.7 cents, well above trendsetter JetBlue's 5.9 cents, its unions remain prickly. Its attendants recently rejected $9 million in pay givebacks, and the company's labor relations chief has described its machinists' tactics as "reprehensible."

JetBlue Airways
At least it's making money, in part because of low labor costs. But that's because of low employee tenure at the four-year-old airline. Captains with four years' experience earn a base salary of $10,600 per month, about the same as at more established carriers. The difference: Most older airlines' captains have been around a decade or more and earn much more, says Aviation Information Resources President Kit Darby. In other words, as JetBlue ages, its edge will narrow. Meanwhile, JetBlue is getting hit by competition like everyone else.

AirTran Holdings
Chief Executive Joseph Leonard termed the competitive environment "extremely hostile" earlier this year in explaining that the Orlando-based carrier will not be adding new destinations in 2004. The Florida hurricanes helped push AirTran into the red in the most recent quarter, and last month its flight attendants began picketing after two and a half years of fruitless wage negotiations. Although it filled more seats in the second quarter, revenue per available seat mile fell 0.5% because of competition from Delta, JetBlue and Independence Air. In the second quarter the operating margin contracted to 11.3% from 13.1% a year earlier.

Frontier/Independence
In Denver, Frontier Airlines announced last month it will trim its fall schedule 11% to 13% amid what is expected to be its third consecutive quarterly loss. (Full-year consensus EPS: 64-cent loss.) Frontier has been battered in Los Angeles, forcing the company to scuttle some of its service at LAX. Ted, United's low-cost operation, has pestered Frontier at its Denver base. At Dulles Airport near Washington, D.C., Independence Air started flying in July with half-empty planes. It is expected to lose $2.25 per share this year on $681 million in revenue.
 
canyonblue said:
Too much seat capacity is one of the problems. Overall, domestic revenue per seat mile dropped 6.5% in August, usually one of the industry's best months. Capacity will grow 7% to 8% this year, mostly from discounters. "What's happening is counterintuitive," says Gary Kelly, chief executive of Southwest Airlines . "The revenue environment is soft, but literally every airline is adding seats."
When are the airlines (and pilots for that matter) going to recognize this basic fact? The population in this country can't continue to support all the airlines that exist today. Too many airline seats chasing too few passengers. And now passengers have the upper hand in airfare pricing.

One or more airlines need to go out of business and the survivors can't flood the market with even more seats.

Too bad the US Government is stuck in a "socialist" mindset somehow thinking that bailing out ailing airlines is a good thing. I guess someone forgot to remind the powers-that-be that we live in a "capitalist" society.

I truly hope the elections and politics aren't playing a part in what's happening in the industry right now.

Later

:D
 
Can not wait til Virgin America takes flight next summer.


Cheers,
Marty
 
The Airlines (all) are going to have to charge more for their tickets. Everyone. $10 each way. Yeah, its more, yeah people are going to gripe, but what happened when gas prices went up? People bitched and moaned like crazy but they sure kept driving to the gas stations in their SUV's getting 10 mpg's! The Auto manufacturer's have not seen ANY sales fall-off in the sales of those land yacht vehicles. Charge more.
 
SYXDude said:
One or more airlines need to go out of business and the survivors can't flood the market with even more seats.:D
That's pretty easy to say sitting in front of your computer. Bet if you had 20+ years in your company, and facing the unemployment line, ala US Airways, you wouldn't be chiming up like that!
737
 
ATR-DRIVR said:
The Airlines (all) are going to have to charge more for their tickets. Everyone. $10 each way. Yeah, its more, yeah people are going to gripe, but what happened when gas prices went up? People bitched and moaned like crazy but they sure kept driving to the gas stations in their SUV's getting 10 mpg's! The Auto manufacturer's have not seen ANY sales fall-off in the sales of those land yacht vehicles. Charge more.
Agreed. However, the instant every airline raises their prices at the same time, someone will scream "collusion". Like there's some giant conspiracy going on about ticket pricing.

The airlines have no one to blame but themselves. They lowered pricing so low and the public has become used to it that the public won't tolerate an increase.

Not to mention, every airline executive believes their airline has to have the most market share which prevents raising the pricing.

There's going to be some serious consolidation and liquidation happening over the next 10 years.

All the best to everyone involved.

Later

:D
 
NWA was the last airline to raise the ticket price for fuel and then stand down.

I hope the employees relay this message to their management. " You do not feel justified in raising ticket prices $10 to offset fuel like many other carriers, instead you come to us for concessions to support the flying publics need for the $99 ticket." What crack are you smoking?

AA
 
Rude Passenger: I pay your salary!

Today's Airline Employee: I subsidize your cheap ticket!
 
Too bad the US Government is stuck in a "socialist" mindset somehow thinking that bailing out ailing airlines is a good thing. I guess someone forgot to remind the powers-that-be that we live in a "capitalist" society.


I see this written a lot on this board. Remind me now, which airlines didn't get money from the Feds on 2 occasions after 9/11? It was just the ailing ones, right? There is no way an airline not getting creamed by lack of international passengers used the money to further expand domestically, right?


 
The reason many legacy airlines try to add a "fuel surcharge" but then retract it, is that it can be a money losing proposition. Sure, add $10 to every ticket, but in the end if you lose money doing it, how smart is that?

What do I mean? Lets take a 200 seat aircraft and charge $99 per seat average. Let's assume a 75% load factor. That means 150 butts in the seats for a total revenue of $14,850.

Now let's add a $10 surcharge, so the tickets are $109. In the customer's mind, there is a BIG difference between $99 and $109. Some customers will still pay, some will go to an LCC, but some won't fly at all. Even if the entire industry DID collude and all airlines charged $10 (including LCC's), you would still lose customers. Let's say you lose 20 customers. So now you have 130 butts in the seats. Guess what, your revenue is $14,190. You raised fares and lost money. Bummer.

It's an inexact science to figure out how many customers an airline would lose by increasing fares. Therein lies the dilema. The "raise fares" rant is not as simple to act on as you think. You may lose in the end with this rant.

Skirt
 
Elasticity of demand

What skirt just described is known among the econ types as "elasticity of demand"....the concept that applies here is that any change in price has a high impact on top line revenue. Thus, if you raise fares even by a small amount...believe it or not...there is an unacceptable drop in demand/revenue. That is why you see these companies introduce higher fares for a few days and then immediately see the dropoff and say, "Holy Shnikees! Look at the loss of revenue! Rescind it now!" Believe me, if they could get those higher fares, they would...everyone would, but until there is an increase in demand or a dropoff in supply to shift the curve one way or the other, it will continue to suck for all players. Eventually, companies will either adapt or die off and shift the supply curve and make things better for everyone else. At least that's how I remember it from my economics class in college...of course that was an 8:00 class....
 
markets

Companies jumping after a lucrative market until the market is not so lucrative. Nothing new here. Is this not part of the ebb and flow of business? If there is a problem in this industry, it is that the wounded live too long.

They can exist and due to the nature of cash flow, continue ot influence even the healthy carriers future until they too have to go on life support. Pretty soon we will have the Airbus Airline and the Boeing Airline and they can fight it out.

It is a dirty, nasty, tough, business and not for the feint at heart.
 
For better or worse, I predict in ten years the elimination or severe cutback of defined benefit plan, and the failure or consolidation of at lest two majprs and LCC's.


See you in ten years, I'm buying if I am wrong.
 
philo beddoe,

You're buying if you're WRONG, but you better buy if you're RIGHT TOO!

There will be a lot of us without jobs if you're right, so we won't be able to afford that drink!!! I'll take a Miller Lite:)

Jet
 
i read recently mortgage financing has tailed off, way off and the it has been the only source of cash americans have used to finance this recovery. real income growth has declined.

having said that, can the american consumer, one who loves cheap airline tickets to take vacations and spend more on their credit card, keep these discount airlines' seats full?
 
Climbhappy,

If the consumer does have less cash to spend, the scary thing is, they're gonna KEEP looking for the LOW TICKET PRICE and some will stop flying.

This is gonna not ONLY be bad for the LCC but also for the LEGACY carriers. We all know the airline industry has too many players right now, and soon there will be the new Virgin! Let's all hope not too many airlines go Chapter 7 during this weeding out process.

Jet
 
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airline economics

One of the basic tenents of airline economics is that to keep costs "lower" you must grow. This is because of the seniority based salary system. The more "junior" employees, i.e. the more employees at the bottom of the salary ladder, the lower your average employee salary. SWA is adding seats as fast or faster than anyone, why is it then "counter-intuitive"?
 

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