Turbojet part 135 takeoff numbers

[JAFI]

(We're Part 23 Commuter category).
-mini

You may want to check that. The CJ3 is not propeller driven:

23.3 Airplane categories.

(d) The commuter category is limited to propeller-driven, multiengine airplanes that have a seating configuration, excluding pilot seats, of 19 or less, and a maximum certificated takeoff weight of 19,000 pounds or less.

http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/tex...8&view=text&node=14:1.0.1.3.10.1.59.3&idno=14

I would bet you are:

(a) The normal category is limited to airplanes that have a seating configuration, excluding pilot seats, of nine or less, a maximum certificated takeoff weight of 12,500 pounds or less, and intended for nonacrobatic operation.

 

[U of I Tweak]

You may want to check that. The CJ3 is not propeller driven:

23.3 Airplane categories.

(d) The commuter category is limited to propeller-driven, multiengine airplanes that have a seating configuration, excluding pilot seats, of 19 or less, and a maximum certificated takeoff weight of 19,000 pounds or less.

http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/tex...8&view=text&node=14:1.0.1.3.10.1.59.3&idno=14

I would bet you are:

(a) The normal category is limited to airplanes that have a seating configuration, excluding pilot seats, of nine or less, a maximum certificated takeoff weight of 12,500 pounds or less, and intended for nonacrobatic operation.

I've never flow the CJ3, but it's similar in size to they Citation V, which had a MTOW of 16,300...well over the 12,500 cited I the normal category reg above.

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[JAFI]

U of I,

That is because the Citation V is certified under part 25, Transport Catagory. Those aircraft get a lot heaver.....

Here is the type data sheet:

http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_G...A0FF9E2FA169C02F86257833005A6BDB?OpenDocument

 

[U of I Tweak]

U of I,

That is because the Citation V is certified under part 25, Transport Catagory. Those aircraft get a lot heaver.....

Here is the type data sheet:

http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_G...A0FF9E2FA169C02F86257833005A6BDB?OpenDocument

Having flown the V, I remember it is a transport category airplane. An above post referenced normal category airplanes, specifically limiting them to 12,500 lbs. I was saying I'd be surprised if a CJ3 could weigh that little. I was curious, so I looked up the CE525 TCDS. The CJ1 and CJ2 are normal category, while the CJ3, weighing in at over 13K, is a commuter category.

http://www.airweb.faa.gov/regulatory_and_guidance_Library/rgMakeModel.nsf/0/7897696ff1dfcb5e862572ed005e7b2a/$FILE/A1WI.pdf

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[JAFI]

U of I and Minitour, I read the TCDS and see you are correct.

Wow, now I've see it all. Only FAA HQ could classify a (6 seat?) corporate turbo jet under the 19 passenger turboprop category. I need to go buy some more asprin now..........

 

[U of I Tweak]

I need to go buy some more asprin now..........

A common effect of the FAA!


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[minitour]

U of I and Minitour, I read the TCDS and see you are correct.

Wow, now I've see it all. Only FAA HQ could classify a (6 seat?) corporate turbo jet under the 19 passenger turboprop category. I need to go buy some more asprin now..........

8 Seats if you count the spacious lav and sideways vomit-inducing, refreshment center replacing seat.

...9 if you count the right seat ballast seat.

I was also surprised to see the aircraft certified the way it is, but I'm sure stranger things have happened.

And yeah, I've done 9 pax part 91 flights in this thing. Thaaaaaat's a real treat. "Please don't touch...ple..pl...really don't touch that!"

"Why did you yell at my son/daughter?"

"...do you enjoy pressurization at 45,000'?"

"He/she was just curious."

-mini

 

[JAFI]

A common effect of the FAA!

I'm afraid you don't know the half of it. A story for another time.

Mini, A hundred years ago I flew an early Citation 501. On one flight one of the passengers ended up with blue all over them. After that we flew with it empty. The "good old days"........

 

[minitour]

Mini, A hundred years ago I flew an early Citation 501. On one flight one of the passengers ended up with blue all over them. After that we flew with it empty. The "good old days"........

I know several people have said they put kitty litter in theirs. Ours is a flushing potty, so that wouldn't be good, I'm sure.

I particularly found amusing when the service center had to remove the entire interior a few months ago to clean up a leaking tank.

-mini

 

[JAFI]

I particularly found amusing when the service center had to remove the entire interior a few months ago to clean up a leaking tank.

-mini

Not so amusing for the tech's at the service center..... Also a prime spot for corrosion. Nasty stuff.