Turbine Single = Multi-piston

[propilot1983]

I've heard from a few different people that turbine single is looked at the same multi-piston is as far as a regional goes. How accurate is this?

 

[8HRRULE]

There is absolutely no substitute for Multi-Engine Time.

 

[Flechas]

8HRRULE, nobody asked you, go back to jerking off!

 

[HMR]

I've heard from a few different people that turbine single is looked at the same multi-piston is as far as a regional goes. How accurate is this?

Interesting question. Since flying a high performance piston twin (C340,414,421) is much more demanding than some popular twin turboprops (BE90,200) it seems unfair to give an even less demanding aircraft (PC-12, TBM, Caravan) an equal "value".

 

[SWAnnabee]

Single jet

So what are your thoughts concerning single engine jet (F-16, AV-8B) compared to multi engine piston? I met a guy at an AirInc seminar who couldn't even get the regionals to talk to him because he didn't have any multi time. He did, however, have around 6,000 hours of AirForce U-2 time. Seemed pretty ridiculous to tell this guy he wasn't "experienced" enough to fly for a regional.

 

[HMR]

He did, however, have around 6,000 hours of AirForce U-2 time. Seemed pretty ridiculous to tell this guy he wasn't "experienced" enough to fly for a regional.

I find it hard to believe that the regionals wouldn't accept that level of experience. Why was he wasting his time with a regional anyway? With 6,000 military jet hours he should be talking to FedEx, UPS, etc.

Since propilot1983 didn't list any military time in his profile, I assumed he meant single engine turboprop.

 

[88_MALIBU]

Get the Piston Twin time... My single Turboprop time did nothing except bring up the total time.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

The proper convertion ratio is more like .45698:1

 

[PropsR4Boats]

“Demanding” You still have to compare apples to apples. Flying a Cessna 340 for yourself is far less demanding than flying a Cessna 340 (or a Caravan for that matter) for a fly by night check hauling outfit (never seen one though). The experience is what matters i.e.: Ice, t-storms, hurricanes, snow-covered runways, night, and mountains. That’s the kind of stuff that Freight Dogs have to deal with or they get fired. The average corporate pilot would cancel. I am a firm believer that single turbine time does not hold you back. If you have a good background (education, commitment, etc.) they will look at you. (you still need some multi)
As for the military guy there must be something wrong with him. The AF does not put guys straight in the U2. Nope, they start out in the T37, T38, & Beech-jet, all multiengine jets. In fact all of the training for the AF is completed in multi-jets with the exception of the New Texan, T6, is replacing some of the T37s around the country. That’s a minimum of about 200 hrs multi engine jet he should have. I think that meets most FO RJ minimums. If he did manage to walk right into a U2 (impossible) Alaska requires 750 hrs multi-turbine or military high-performance single engine jet military.

That’s all for now.

 

[PropsR4Boats]

The conversion factor is less than that. Its about 16 SE/turbine = 1 hr multi piston, 1:16, 1/16, .0625:1

 

[HMR]

“Demanding” You still have to compare apples to apples. Flying a Cessna 340 for yourself is far less demanding than flying a Cessna 340 (or a Caravan for that matter) for a fly by night check hauling outfit (never seen one though). The experience is what matters i.e.: Ice, t-storms, hurricanes, snow-covered runways, night, and mountains. That’s the kind of stuff that Freight Dogs have to deal with or they get fired. The average corporate pilot would cancel. I am a firm believer that single turbine time does not hold you back. If you have a good background (education, commitment, etc.) they will look at you. (you still need some multi)

Apples to Apples? OK, how about flying freight in a Caravan vs. a Baron? Is that better? Is the Caravan more demanding? Is one turbine engine harder to manage than two piston engines?

I agree, it's the experience that matters. Unfortunately, there's no box to check on an application for "ice, t-storms, hurricanes", etc.

I'm not sure what you meant by the "average corporate pilot" comment.

 

[JumpJetter]

...As for the military guy there must be something wrong with him. The AF does not put guys straight in the U2. Nope, they start out in the T37, T38, & Beech-jet, all multiengine jets. In fact all of the training for the AF is completed in multi-jets with the exception of the New Texan, T6, is replacing some of the T37s around the country. That’s a minimum of about 200 hrs multi engine jet he should have. I think that meets most FO RJ minimums. If he did manage to walk right into a U2 (impossible) Alaska requires 750 hrs multi-turbine or military high-performance single engine jet military....

Well, I know you have vast experience with the military and all, but I know several Naval Aviators who trained in the T-34 (SE Turboprop), then the T-45 (SE Jet) flew AV-8 Harriers (SE Jet), got out of the USMC and transfered to USAFR only to fly F-16s or U-2s......therefore not having ANY multiengine time. But in your words...there must be something wrong with them! I know that's not what you meant, just busting your bahls. But it is entirely possible. And as for BOZT45. It looks like he is a Harrier guy who is now back at the training command and probably has NO multitime cause he is teaching in the Navy's T-45. Boz, I'll bet no regionals will even give you an interview cause you don't have any multi time huh?

JJ

 

[8HRRULE]

8HRRULE, nobody asked you, go back to jerking off!

You may feel the need from time to time, and thats OK. I have my hands full as it is with the women (different one each night).

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Propsr4boats I think you forgot to add the Jet A factor X the square of the sonds like a big gas grill when it lights factor

 

[Gearmunky]

If a regional airline questions Harrier/U2 time as non-quality time to fly for their airline, let me tell you something- I would rip his/her head off and $hit down their neck.

I'm sorry but I would draw the line there. Especially if your going to be flying an airplane (ERJ) that says to you "Takeoff OK" at the end of the runway before you leave. Those people are so rediculous for so little money anymore it's awful.

If that's your wet dream by all means go do it, but I think one can do better. I just don't agree with the way these regional people go about hiring people, its so shady and a aristocratic that it should be flat out made unlawful. Your getting hired to fly an airplane, not command the space shuttle on an earth saving mission.

Good Luck and Best Wishes

 

[PropsR4Boats]

Forgot about the Dept of Navy. You are vary right. I do know a couple of captains at SWA that flew AV8s in the USMC then walled straight into SWA. Maybe the small guys don't want him walking out in 6mo. Sorry about the negative connotation. I know only one guy that claims to have U2 Guy. He's an A$$, makes me prejudice against all U2 Guys.
Barons or Caravans? Caravan guys had better have some multi. I do know a couple guys that had very little ME time (less than 100 & 50) and got a job flying BE99s, just because of the turbine experience. I also know guys with 1000 caravan time 50 multi and can't get an interview with Colgan or Great Lakes. Who knows? If you get an interview impress them when you get there.
About the corporate guys comment. You have important people on board, if the situation is dangerous you should cancel or postpone. The freight guys just have on dumb guy with an ego to feed and a boss that will fire you it you don’t take off. That’s what I meant by it. Did not mean to imply corporate guys are stupid. Hopefully they are smarter with more integrity and less ego.
Tell’em to go to SWA

 

[Thurman Merman]

Reality

Interesting question. Since flying a high performance piston twin (C340,414,421) is much more demanding than some popular twin turboprops (BE90,200) it seems unfair to give an even less demanding aircraft (PC-12, TBM, Caravan) an equal "value".

Speaking from someone with experience you take two guys one with "demanding" twin cessna time the other with twin turbine you see which one gets hired first. Also try to compare systems and powerplants then tell me which is more complex. Just cause a piston wil not climb SE doesn't make the airlines look at this time more favorably. When is the last time a 414 driver had to deal with a rapid decompression in the flight levels.

 

[HMR]

Speaking from someone with experience you take two guys one with "demanding" twin cessna time the other with twin turbine you see which one gets hired first.

The girl with twin turbine will get hired before either of them. BTW-This thread was about single turbine vs multi-piston.

Also try to compare systems and powerplants then tell me which is more complex.

GTSIO-520 vs. PT6A-41? Fuel system on any twin cessna w/tip tanks vs. a King Air? Shall I continue?

Just cause a piston wil not climb SE doesn't make the airlines look at this time more favorably.

That's good as it would be a dumb criteria.

When is the last time a 414 driver had to deal with a rapid decompression in the flight levels.

I don't know. When is the last time a BE90 driver had to deal with one?

 

[Thurman Merman]

Touche, I had a long day and crew scheduling bent me over without any lube, a lil b!tchy but I did have a door blow off on a B200, thankfully no pax or luggage in the back.