TSA is Checking

[rvsm410]

Why am I "always" secondary screened?

Hey this is sort of on the same topic of security screening, I want to find out why I am doubled checked everytime at every airport when I am flying on a stand by pass? I am not currently employed by an airline, yet have been with several companies, and held a secret clearance in the Air Force, other than a speeding ticket my back ground is pure as snow.

I have been on 3 or 4 interviews over the last year and everytime I have to undress and have my little overnight bad checked....anybody else going through this, and is there someone I can write to find out why this happens? Are all standby passengers going through this? Thanks

 

[saabcaptain]

Ok, let's ask a more basic question folks...

Has ANYONE been asked for their pilot certificate or medical when walking through security? I know I for sure haven't... I imagine the only time you would even with this new procedure is if something was flagged. Let's say you leave a leatherman in you flightcase and they catch it. Perhaps then they will ask you for you certificate, but I doubt they will be doing it all the time.

Has anyone actually just been randomly delayed for a TSA employee asking for your pilot certificate and medical?

 

[TR4A]

I want to find out why I am doubled checked everytime at every airport when I am flying on a stand by pass?

Is this on a one way ticket/reservation? If yes that is why.

 

[Thedude]

Are you non-revving on NWA or one of their feeders??

 

[sf3boy]

The procedures are the same if you are non revving on a real NWA flight or a pretend NWA flight.

 

[mach zero]

It's ironic to me that they are given the power to check our pilot certificates now since a few months ago, they would not let me past a checkpoint after seeing mine. I was a CA on a Part 121 flight that landed in a city of size in Louisiana. We were on a short stopover before going on with the trip. I needed some dinner so I went to one of the airports restaurants which was outside security. After comandering my food, I wanted to go back onboard to eat since softdrinks are free on board. The screeners refused me access to the checkpoint since I did not have a ticket. I was in uniform with company ID, coat, tie, hat, etc. There was no mistaking me as the pilot. I explained to them that I was operating the flight and did not need to buy a ticket on my own airplane. The answer from the checkpoint supervisor was I needed a ticket to go through. I showed him my company ID and pilot certificates and he still refused me access without a ticket. So I told him to take all of my flights passengers out of the gate area because without me, the flight was not leaving. He asked why? I said because like I have been telling you for the past 15 minutes, I am the captain on that flight. His response was, well you still need a ticket to go through security here. Finally, I went to our ticket counter where the station manager let me through the doorway that the ramp personnel go through.

 

[SKYCOP]

In response to the original post, I think you might have to comply when asked but only if you are the operator of an aircraft.

CFR 1544.3 " each aircraft operator must allow TSA, at any time and any place to make inspections"

CFR 1550.03 "TSA inspection authority ........aircraft operator must allow TSA, at any time or any place to make any inspection or test, including copying records to determine compliance."

These two state 'aircraft operator' , not Joe Pilot who is flying commercial, deadheading or otherwise. And of course, good old FAR 61.3 says......
" each person who holds an airman certificate must present it and their photo identification for inspection upon request from:
1. The Administrator
2. Any authorized Rep of NTSB
3. Any Fed, state, or local Law Enforcement
4. An authorized Rep of the TSA

The biggest problem is that all these regs say "the TSA"....they dont say WHO in the TSA, or WHO is an authorized rep. Even the definition of TSA in the CFR's only says Transportation Security Administration.............that leaves it wide open for that one power hungry jerkoff working the gate to stop you and ID you. It does'nt say if they must produce their ID as well when asked.
If they think a guy in full pilot garb could be a terrorist, then I guess a guy in full TSA garb could be one too and in the interest of national security I can see justification in making them ID as well.

Im not a lawyer (nor do I play one on TV) but the Reg's need to be changed......if their little badges get them access, company badges should do the same for pilots.