True Whores

[av8tor4239]

The following message and attachments were sent out yesterday to the
members of ALPA's Board of Directors. As you can read from Captain
Woerth's message and the attached files, JetBlue Airways is preparing
to
seek an exception from the 8-Hour Flight and Duty Time Regulation. I
encourage you to read the information here and if you know any JetBlue
pilots personally or come in contact with any during your travels, talk
with them about the potential ramifications if such an exception were
granted.

Captain David Webb
FDX MEC Chairman

* * * * *

TO ALL MEMBERS OF THE ALPA BOARD OF DIRECTORS:

Jet Blue Airlines is in the process of preparing to seek an exception
from the 8-Hour Flight and Duty Time Regulation in order to perform
transcontinental turnarounds. I am enclosing the communication from
Jet
Blue's Chief Pilot, Peter Russo, which will be self-explanatory.

I have personally communicated in the strongest possible terms to the
FAA how vigorously ALPA will oppose the granting of this exemption and
all of the "copycat" exemption requests that will surely follow for
competitive reasons.

The inadequacy of the current Flight and Duty Time limitations are well
known to all, especially as to duty day limits. For nearly 10 years
the
FAA has promised Congress an NPRM to address all these scientifically
proven shortcomings - yet as of the end of the first quarter of 2005,
no
NPRM is in sight or even discussed. To allow Jet Blue or any airline
to
"cherry pick" the rules by exemption will not be tolerated.

Duane E. Woerth
President

 

[8HRRULE]

This industry is changing. This represents the "new status quo".

 

[mamba20]

8HRRULE, when are you gonna change your username to "8 hour idiot"?

 

[fulcrum]

This is nuts , hopefully all the spineless pilots at Jetblue will probably stand up to this insanity , they have no union to represent them. if the FAA allows this to go on where is it going to stop ?
Can you imagine the work rules if ALPA and the unions did not exist.
Fulcrum

 

[Nindiri]

While I think this exemption would be a terrible idea, I don't follow why you name the thread "True Whores".

 

[jetbluedog]

COLLATERAL at JetBlue

This career sucks.

 

[fulcrum]

Jet blue management will probably offer lots of Over time or extra pay to entice the "poor" pilots to bite and agree to fly in workconditions that are worse than truck drivers
Fulcrum

 

[ohplease!]

While I think this exemption would be a terrible idea, I don't follow why you name the thread "True Whores".

because he's a complete idiot and thats one of the 3 or 4 prhases he knows how to spell. One track minds....sish!

 

[Flybet3]

Thi industry is going to hell!!! I think i might just get a PAPA johns franchise, that might work better

 

[Flyer1015]

Thi industry is going to hell!!! I think i might just get a PAPA johns franchise, that might work better

Actually considered it. For 1 to 4 units, you need a minimum net worth of $200,000; and $250,000 per restaurant in liquid assets or available financing.

Where was I gonna find 200 grand ?

 

[PCL_128]

This industry is changing. This represents the "new status quo".

You do realize that "new status quo" is an oxymoron, right?[size=-1] You get dumber by the day. Amazing.
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[jobear]

huh? are we the new april fools?????

 

[flyer172r]

Where was I gonna find 200 grand ?

According to the media that's only half a year's salary for all pilots.

 

[Chest Rockwell]

Can you imagine the work rules if ALPA and the unions did not exist.
Fulcrum

ALPA did not care when I was flying anywhere from 5 to 11 legs a day with no autopilot or flight director.

If it is limited to two legs, I would rather fly 2 legs/10 hours than 7 legs/8hours.

 

[General Lee]

This industry is changing. This represents the "new status quo".

Give me a break. If you move to Kentucky can you marry your sister? It is the status quo there. Wake up.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

ALPA did not care when I was flying anywhere from 5 to 11 legs a day with no autopilot or flight director.

If it is limited to two legs, I would rather fly 2 legs/10 hours than 7 legs/8hours.

Nice. You will be ready for that last approach into bad wx on the return leg. I can't wait to see that.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Chest Rockwell]

Nice. You will be ready for that last approach into bad wx on the return leg. I can't wait to see that.

I have no doubt that anyone would be more alert than if they flew 6 or seven legs prior to the last landing. If there is a two leg limit, I have no safety concern. Every fatigue argument regarding flying 10 hours/2 legs has much more weight if applied to an 8 hour/6+ leg day.

 

[doh]

General,

He will be a HE!! of a lot more ready to fly that approach than the poor schmuck who has to fly the 11th leg on the legal day, and ALPA has NEVER done one thing to end that travesty. What about the pilot flying the 5th CD in a row? Nope, they haven't done jacks--- for that person either. Let the guiltless cast the first stone!

 

[doh]

Chest, amen.

 

[8vATE]

Actually considered it. For 1 to 4 units, you need a minimum net worth of $200,000; and $250,000 per restaurant in liquid assets or available financing.

Where was I gonna find 200 grand ?

a quarter of a million to bake dough?


wow..

at least you can eat the inventory....

 

[8vATE]

Give me a break. If you move to Kentucky can you marry your sister? It is the status quo there. Wake up.


Bye Bye--General Lee

ouch!

you finally got me lee..

i'm dead!


(from ky)

dated my cousin once...
actually.. dated her for six months..

(cousin by marriage)

 

[scar1900]

I don't think I would mind a 10 hour day. I think the real problem is the 16 hours of duty I have to do all the time. Assuming all other flight time limitation were left in place (30 in 7, 100 in a month, 1000 in a year) I would much rather have a 10 hour flight max with a 12 hour duty day max than the system we have now. 7 legs with 3 hour sits followed by 20 min turns and 7.9 of flying wears me out more than a west coast turn would. Lower the duty day rule and I'm all for it.

 

[xjlifer]

I think this has potential...the real problem is in the way different Scheduling departments would use it. Look how long it took the FAA to finally rule on a hard 16 hour day. I for one would rather fly when I am at work knowing I will only be on duty for 12 hours than fly 8 sit around and b!tch about the company for 6 and then get 9 hours rest so I can do it again.

Kinda funny how some people use that last approach to mins as there example....hell the AP is doing all the work and if ya got autothrottles it aint much work.

Now when I was a kid I used to have to walk to the airport...(and it was uphill both ways) and then fly my SA227 with out an AP for 10 hours a day.

 

[Bluto]

I think what ALPA is going for here is simply stopping this before it does become status quo. If jetblue pilots can safely fly 10 hours over two legs, maybe it'll be ok for a Brasilia pilot to fly 10 hours (10 or 12 legs) some day. It has to stop somewhere.

 

[Lexy]

I was under the impression that the JetBlue pilots want to be able to do this???

 

[Ace McCoy]

This is nuts , hopefully all the spineless pilots at Jetblue will probably stand up to this insanity , they have no union to represent them. if the FAA allows this to go on where is it going to stop ?
Can you imagine the work rules if ALPA and the unions did not exist.
Fulcrum

Most of them are in favor of this rule change so there will be no standing up by them anyway.

 

[Dizel8]

"Most of them are in favor of this rule change"

Man, didn't even see your poll, surely I missed it right?

 

[EMB170Pilot]

Dizel, Im sorry but your avatar has been bothering me and now I have to say it

Is that a transvestite? I mean look at her..Thats not a woman thats a MAN BABY!!

Yeah big tits (fake) but her face YUCK looks like a dog

Surely you can find someone a lot hotter than that

 

[dbrownie]

I think what ALPA is going for here is simply stopping this before it does become status quo. If jetblue pilots can safely fly 10 hours over two legs, maybe it'll be ok for a Brasilia pilot to fly 10 hours (10 or 12 legs) some day. It has to stop somewhere.

Yes!

You are correct. If these companies are allowed to do this there will be
no end to the limits they will push.

I have flown 2 legs over 8 hours on the A320 we do it all the time.
Usually down to somewhere sunny and warm!

Except we have a extra Captain and switch out during the flight.

Even though it is only 2 legs you still are tired! Not the same tired
as 5 or 6 legs I used to be on the DC-9 but still tired.

Dave B
NWA

 

[Chest Rockwell]

Length of duty day and number of legs flown, in my opinion, have much more impact on one's level of fatigue than strictly the number of hours flown. Someone convince me that someone flying 8 hours/6 legs on a 11-14 hour duty day is safer than 10 hours/2 legs with 11-12 duty.